The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they’re masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.
I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won’t. If they do, they’ll take the wrong lesson from it.
No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
By all accounts, ICE are real law enforcement, with the power, and authority of the state to enact the will of the ruling class on us.
Close enough I suppose. I think of them as Decree Enforcement. Nothing lawful about how they act.
“Unlawful” basically is whatever is enforced by the courts, in the US.
Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
And they are bestowed power above the justice system by the commander in beef
Wishful thinking is enticing
I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.
Journalistic reflex; cops are always innocent.
BREONNA TAYLOR, member her? Just a raid gone wrong
There have been do many stories of police botched a raid and killed people exercising their 2d Amendment rights in non-threatening ways. Typically the 2A nuts still rally around the cops.
I dont think it matters. The title conveys the idea that they weren’t police. I think you could claim self defense just by that. No one that wants you to open the door falsely claiming to be policie is NOT going to hurt you
It’s a huge difference. It may not seem different to you and I, but shooting someone who shoots you first is more universally viewed as acceptable self defense than only shooting people claiming to be police in skimasks on your doorstep. The headline buries the lede.
Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "
So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.
I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.
I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, “vanishing” unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.
It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a “Lions Led by Donkeys” episode in a decade or two.
Why would you think it’s only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don’t like?
I don’t. However, it is the most obvious way for other nations to attack America without drawing attention. Hopefully, the same vulnerability would also allow the John Browns of our time to crack open concentration centers from the inside.
Why would they need to be ‘foreign’(
It’s so badly organised and chaotic anyway they wouldn’t even notice
Fair point. My girlfriend is Irish and compared them to the black and tans.
this quote should form the basis of any defense arguments for future ICE shootings
I support this and agree.
They wear neck gaiters.
I was surprised that the masked men weren’t law enforcement. Police hiding their faces because fascism is just standard procedure under President Epstein.
Police said if you’re ever unsure whether it is really the police outside your door, there are some signs to look for.
“Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we’ll be announcing ourselves,” HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
An interesting development
I love that I read your comment, then backed out to the main feed and the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask
The logical conclusion is that that is not a real officer.
Then somebody should be arresting them for impersonating an officer.
That’s what happened, right?
Unfortunately, I don’t think syllogisms are enforceable law.
Not with that attitude
What do you mean, it’s clearly a goverment officer, it says it right there on the ground!
Appropriate username
Nah, he legitimately works for the goverment.
It’s an easy mistake - good guys wear balaclavas, criminals wear ski masks. Kind of like how the bad guy used to wear a black hat. /s
“Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we’ll be announcing ourselves,”
They always announce themselves except when they don’t: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant
And if I’m ever planning a home invasion, I need to get some red and white flashing light and a bullhorn.
Lies. ACAB.
This is gaslighting at this point. We all see the pigs with masks. We’ve all seen plainclothes officers in undercover cars make traffic stops.
I’m reading it as the quoted police officer is telling us it’s ok to shoot the masked kidnapper-variety police.
It’s gonna happen eventually. People are on edge.
It should have already happened months ago, after all the “first amendment” and “freedom” talk we’ve been getting from Americans for years.
Not disagreeing with ACAB but this particular guy was speaking on behalf of the Houston PD, saying they don’t wear ski masks. The two guys who got shot could be from any number of organizations.
And all are suitable candidates for shoot and let the courts settle it later.
The ones in CT were using fucking Subaru Crosstreks for unmarked cars.
I guess “buy American” is less important than “sneak up on future brutality victims”.
In many states, cops drive cars
stolenconfiscated from suspects in drug-related arrests.
Breonna Taylor’s ghost would like a word.
Seriously, her boyfriend was arrested (but acquitted) for returning fire in their home when police had no lights, no sirens, and no bullhorn.
This officer’s advice does not apply anywhere that no-knock warrants can still be obtained.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
I wonder if this could be cited in court in the case of someone accidentally killing ICE agents, thinking they were robbers or worse.
lol, all that is bullshit. What a bunch of clowns.
Everyone is wrong sometimes
This has been happening for years, Apple even made a TV show about it.
Cops say they do no knocks and mask up for their own safety…
But this is America and people are even more on edge then ever. I honestly can’t believe more actual cops haven’t been shot by mistake yet.
Yes… mistake…
Dollar Store Hitler and his American Gestapo
This is another problem with police hiding their identity, it makes it easier for bozos like this to plausibly claim to be cops.
They could always have been ice deputees heading home from work wanting to make a little extra on the side….
How about in France in 2015?
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/third-body-found-at-site-of-post-paris-attacks-police-raid-1245788
😱
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.
ISE doesn’t wear ski masks. They wear balaclavas. They’re totally different and easy distinguishable in the dark during high stress situations. /s
Id rather they didn’t.
Schrödinger’s cop. Every masked creep with a power complex is simultaneously a dangerous criminal you should shoot on sight for your own protection and a police officer with qualified immunity. The waveform collapses when you get tried for murder, if you win it was a criminal all along, but if you get the electric chair it was a cop.
Wave function.
That thingy
lol this is so good
Just means more aggressive actions by cops to preemptively subdue any resistance. You’ll get a flashbang and tear gas launched into your backseat, dragged out and cuffed at a traffic stop.
Thankfully, tear gas could be bought on Temu
HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi… that real officers do not wear ski masks.
🤔
Detective Stringer doesn’t watch the news.
Detective Stringer makes a well calculated statement about his stance on ICE.
Sounds like he could be having an awakening.
Hope his brothers don’t turn on him.
In other news two positions for ICE officers just opened up for the Huston area.
lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening with masked police using constant escalation dominance as a tactic.
this is civil war behavior from a civilization.
it will also lead to blood feuds between people and the police as a whole. i expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.
expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.
Unless the cops start shooting ICE on sight for the safety of their neighborhood, they are complicit and get what they deserve.
ACAB. Shoot fascists in masks in their masks. Full stop.
lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening
And this is also what they wanted, they WANT people to start firing on cops in masks, this is the escalation they need to make the excuse for turning the US into a massive locked-down corporate prison.
“What’s that? People are shooting at our precious law enforcement heroes?? Let loose the Palantir Drones! FLY MY PRETTIES!”
They don’t need the excuse, just look at D.C. in the past week. And escalation will only make things worse for them. They’re looking at an armed insurgency situation akin to the “War on Terror,” which proved that an entrenched group amongst the populace is impossible to oust because anybody could be an insurgent, and taking one out will create more people willing to take revenge. There used to be an excellent Flash game about this very point where you shot cruise missiles at terrorists walking across the screen. And every time that a missile would explode, it would inevitably hit civilians in the area, and those nearby would turn into more terrorists. You’d just continue to fill the screen with more and more terrorists than there were originally until eventually you gave up.
Somebody a few weeks ago said in a thread on a similar subject that the military’s conclusion was that you need about 3 soldiers for every insurgent in a population. There’s no way that they can draft as much as theoretically 75% of the population.
It’s a whole lot of bluster, and if we could get organized we could topple the whole thing. ICE has homes they go back to at the end of the day. They don’t have army bases to hide in.
That flash game sounds like political art. Just WOW. As an aspiring game dev that’s just a brilliant way of getting the point across that I could only dream of.
The trouble with a lot of these things, sadly, is getting it in front of people who need to get the message rather than those who already agree with it from the start.
And their families, sadly.
Probably realised they weren’t real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.
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Shame this doesn’t happen more often.
I’m surprised it hasn’t
“Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.”
It’s going to be very, very interesting to see how this one turns out!
Always a good idea to be aware of lethal force rules where you live:
In this case, Houston, Texas:
"The Role of the Castle Doctrine in Texas
The Castle Doctrine is a key element of Texas self-defense laws. This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, to protect themselves in their homes, vehicles, or workplaces without a duty to retreat. Under Texas law, your “castle” is considered a place where you have a legal right to be, and force may be justified when:
Someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter your home.
The intruder is committing or attempting to commit a violent act, such as robbery or assault.
You reasonably believe force is necessary to protect yourself or others.
There are some limitations to this principle. For example, the use of force is typically not justified if the intruder is retreating or if you initiated the altercation."
So, assuming the story is accurate, and remember, initial reports are almost always INACCURATE…
“At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.”
So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.
So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.
Standard self defense law also covers this in every US state and most countries; if someone is shooting at you and there’s no way to quickly get to a place where they can’t hit you, it’s legal to kill them to make them stop.
And what you want to say (with an attorney present) is that you used necessary force to eliminate the threat.
I overheard a cop at the hospital I work at kinda laughing about that: apparently it’s super common for people to plead the 5th, then proceed to run their mouth and incriminate themselves.
So, I fucking love that video for how persistent it is about ‘but then the cop keeps asking you questions’ ‘but then they bring you to the station’ and regardless of how far into the process it gets, shut the fuck up.
Funny presentation, but rock solid advice that people really do struggle with.
Some cops actually wear ski mask-type stuff like that when they do sting operations. Seen it myself a few times.
I want to be clear that the ski mask cops I have seen actually had badges or uniforms or some kind of identification on their person.
Maybe this could be a warning sign to those cops that they shouldn’t do that, or they might be shot.
Oh, who am I kidding. That just means cops in ski masks will shoot first more often.
Yeah, they want to turn the temperature up. If they can just start shooting brown people on sight, it’d make everything easier.
“Police said the two men were wearing bulletproof vests and had some sort of badge around their necks.”
The Nazis want badges alone to be enough of a signifier, but frankly anyone trying to break into your home without presenting identification and a warrant should be treated as a threat.
ICE agents wear masks more often than not, from what I can tell.
Know your rights!
Badges and “identification” can be bought at dollar stores.
Nobody is going to be able to check their authenticity in the middle of a firefight, and by the time you let criminals enter your house to show you their “ID”, it’s already too late.
Not that people with guns trying to break into a house are necessarily very smart (both burglars and Nazis), but what’s the plan here? You hit the homeowner and then you just have a shot guy on the other side of a still locked door. You gotta be really dedicated to robbing that particular house this particular night to jump to do that.
I’m guessing the order of events is off. Shooting at thugs trying to break into your home and those thugs shooting at someone shooting at them makes perfect sense.
This is Texas we’re talking about. There, people shoot at each other just to say hello some times 🤷
Unless you’re responsible for protecting children during an active shooter situation in a school. In that case, you let the active shooter say hello to everyone while you piss yourself.
Maybe they were trying to shoot the lock. Akin to smashing car windows and dragging people out, as they’ve done in LA.
Eh, if it’s a standard door in america, a few kicks will stave it in. So they would have open access to the house in just a moment after they ensure there is one less resistor on the inside.
In reality, if the masked intruder you shoot happens to be a cop, then Castle Doctrine is irrelevant. You’re now a cop murderer. They’ll figure out some legal or extra-legal way to see you behind bars or dead.
Not 100% true. Though I admit it’s rare, but in Texas a man was acquitted after killing a police officer trying to break into his house. Castle-Law absolutely came into play there.
This is the most recent I can find, but it’s happened several times in the past as well. It should happen more often, but unfortunately the defender rarely survives.
The story you linked isn’t about a police officer trying to break into a man’s house. It’s about a road rage incident.
Castle-Law applies to being in your car as well. But yea, the story I linked is similar, but not the one I was thinking about. It’s very hard to find specific news stores these days unfortunately. :/
Howl’s moving castle?
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Good for the homeowner. Any “law enforcement officer” who hide their faces and wont show ID are probably acting criminally and they should not be tolerated by society.
I was wondering where this would happen first. TX makes sense. They have more ICE than any other state.
Hope the homeowner is acquitted of any wrongdoing or damages in court.
It’s texas. He’ll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn’t like.
I’m from the area. It all depends on how white and Republican you are. They stack the Grand Juries with “respectable members” of the community (white, male business owners typically) who no-bill white folk for killing minorities.
In a very public case, a white small business owner/homeowner shot 2 unarmed minorities in the back, killing both as they fled a neighbor’s house. They never stepped on the killer’s property and never threatened anyone. The homeowner called 911 and said he was going to kill them and get away with it. The operator said not to shoot and to go inside because police were just seconds away, and he killed them anyway.
The grand jury refused to let the prosecutor take the case to trial because killing black people is a public benefit in their eyes.
So the families of the victims sued the killer, and the state responded by outlawwing civil suits over any case involving a firearm that didn’t first include a felony conviction.
Damn, that’s all incredibly fucked up
This is actually why Texas is great and Joe Horn did nothing wrong. You can’t trust the police, but I absolutely trust my neighbors.
When a cop says a minority wasn’t charging somebody when they got shot to death, I am more likely to believe him.
And let’s not forget that the police department chose not to arrest him because he was a white business owner. If Horn had been black, he’d have been killed on the scene or executed in Huntsville.
So I looked up the case for anyone’s edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.
When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor’s yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.
Quoth the shooter
Horn, to dispatcher: “I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice.”
Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn’t victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.
But don’t worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.
The shooter told 911 they were coming at him, after basically saying he wanted to go kill them. The police officer who witnessed the killing said they were fleeing and that he shot them in the back.
I’m not some anti-gun dude. I own over 50 guns and used to work in the industry.
But that motherfucker should be in jail. Non-violent criminals don’t deserve the death penalty - least of all from some psycho neighbor who has a hard-on for violence and essentially announces his intent to kill before going outside and killing.
Why are you trusting the police on this? Fuck the police or not?
I don’t care. I don’t care if drug dealers robbing people got shot. I’m on balance a little happier that they got whacked because they literally represent a threat to people like myself and my family whereas I will never have to worry about getting shot robbing people.
This definitely shows a lot of perspective, thank you!
I really wish people looked at these cases more objectively, considering the humans involved and not simply:
“How can I paint this to forward my narrative obsession of the moment?”
It’s like our entire society is based around social media clout farming. I know weaponized reporting is nothing new, but sheesh.
I wouldn’t feel I had much choice either, if someone who just robbed a neighbor was charging at me in the dark. Suddenly after the fact, the internet is chock full of experts in ballistics and self defense law.
But you’re right, it definitely defeated a future threat to the neighborhood residents. I haaaaate suburban Rambo Nextdoor toughguys as much as the next reasonable person, but this doesn’t sound like that.
There’s plenty of systemic issues to tackle around crime, but breaking into peoples’ homes to loot and potentially harm them is always a choice carrying a significant weight of FAFO.
Saying non-violent burglars and drug users deserve to die because Joe really wanted an excuse to kill isn’t exactly objective.
The only witness to the killing was a plainclothes officer who said he shot people in the back while fleeing.
Stealing shit isn’t a capital offense. As a society, we decided long ago that even a judge and jury can’t kill someone for burglary. Why is it okay when the psycho neighbor who isn’t even a victim does it?
Breaking into a home isn’t “non-violent.”
Breaking into a home isn’t non-violent. People break into places that they THINK are empty all the time or have the victims come home during the robbery all the time. If they keep doing this they will with 100% certitude come into direct conflict sooner rather than later. Furthermore the act of violating someone’s home is inherently a violation. Your argument is like saying rape is non-violent if nobody fights back.
It appears that it wouldn’t speak to cases that were never brought it would only immunize them if the grand jury is sought and declines to indict OR the case is dismissed rather than requiring a conviction to bring the suit.
This means they can’t opt out of liability by ignoring the case. This doesn’t appear on its face to be bad law. If Texan’s decline to indict when they ought to then that not the law is the issue.
Likewise if its even possible to stack the jury that again is the problem not the law.
No. It applies to all civil suits regarding gun crime.
It effectively raises the standards of civil suits when guns are involved, which are not supposed to be the same as criminal.
Good. If you aren’t guilty, you shouldn’t have any liability what-so-ever. if anything, once declared not-guilty (or the case never make it to court) any further pursuit of the victim should result in criminal harassment charges. Leave the victims alone, even if they are white.
If the neighbor backs into your car, should you be able to pursue damages if the person who hit you isn’t sent to prison?
Because if, instead of running into your car, the neighbor had accidentally shot it while unloading their rifle for cleaning, you can’t sue them if they aren’t imprisoned.
Absolutely not. I have state mandated insurance and while the regulations around insurance are fucked up, the insurance company should pay for my claim, then they can look at their legal options for reclaiming damages. If someone “accidentally” shoots a gun, that is negligence and the outcome of that action may result in criminal action, if it does, then sure let me file a civil case if it doesn’t, then again I have insurance.
If someone breaks into a home, they have committed violence against me and my family, and in a tight-knit community I’d expect neighbors to respond in-kind and help a member of that community from being victimized.
as they fled a neighbor’s house
Were they leaving a neighbors house or were they in fact fleeing from robbing the neighbors house.
They had been burglarizing the neighbor’s empty house and were leaving.
That isn’t worth killing over.
I think it is worth killing. The world is a slightly better place for every such person who gets killed.
Stuff is never more valuable than human life, and you have no idea what material conditions led to this behavior.
In a vacuum that is correct. But material conditions must never lead to random act of violence for selfish gains, it frays the threads of society and leads to a worse outcome for everyone. If you are hungry, go steal from walmart, go rob a bank, don’t break into someone’s home, you don’t know (and obviously don’t care) about the circumstances of your victim, so why should a society extend you the same courtesy?
There is no material conditions that justify violating families safety and property by invading their homes. Doing is evil and it puts not only yourself but them at risk. You never know if you are going to run into a kid or grandma alone at home after the family car(s) have left. Any adults who do this once will do it again and probably again and again. Eliminating them now makes countless families safer.
It’s not just about the stuff.
If it was cops or ICE, everything else the same, they would definitely be in custody on a $100 million bond and charged with murder and terrorism.
I’d say you’re right, but the kidnappers were cops.
Yeah not offilicially, but they had masks and guns and ill intent and were claiming the titled, so cop unions will pressure prosecutors to go hard.
So long as he’s not brown or poor.
