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jesus, what an extremely late understatement
Judge a man by his actions, not by his words.
I hope the ICJ takes the US, UK, Germany and other genocide enablers to the trial too.
Don’t forget Canada.
Hmm, is it me who’s wrong about the facts on the ground and the application of international law?
No, it is Canada who is has gone genocidal!
Canada has a long and arguably continuing history of genocide.
It’s genocide all the way down huh?
Do any multilateral bodies call it genocide or just edgelords on the internet?
What planet are you on that you’ve never heard of the Canadian extermination of indigenous peoples?
I have heard of it. Have I heard anyone call it genocide though? I don’t think I have. Other than, now this is the second person, whom I consider to be edgelords on the internet until proven otherwise.
You’re willfully being ignorant, then. “Canadian indigenous genocide” is the third result down on the autocomplete list on google after typing in “Canadian Indig”, and if you click that result you get a ton of sources including a bunch of news articles talking about the genocide using the word genocide, the website for the Canadian human rights museum which calls it a genocide, and even a scientific paper on the trauma effects caused by it.
It was a genocide.
Sorry, I said multilateral bodies. Such as NATO or the UN.
Sounds like someone needs to be doing the Googling they keep preaching about.
stares blatantly
“There are a lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying,” the president said in a session with reporters.
Gee, then maybe you shouldn’t have cut funding to the biggest single relief agency in the area just because Israel told you to (archive part 1, part 2), you fucking clod
e; Six pages of evidence (archive) about 12 people in an organization of 13000 that we probably didn’t even see (archive) and a bunch of disinformation from Israeli mouthpieces was all it took
You don’t have to prove with links that we did that. We were joined in it by a broad, multilateral coalition of partners.
Those who saw the raw intelligence said it was irrefutable and the problem was significantly more widespread than the 13 people directly accused, all of whom the agency immediately fired upon also seeing the intelligence.
[citation needed]
Lol wrecked
The fact that you’ve said this makes it obvious that you do not know enough about this story to have an opinion on it. You’re not following it closely enough snd haven’t done your basic homework to come into this conversation.
You can’t just respond to “citation needed” with an ad hominem, my dude.
He can’t defend his position, so he falls back to ol’reliable.
Literally go and Google it. This thread is filled with abject know nothing’s at the peak of Mount Stupid.
You made the claim. You’re expending more effort on insults than it would take to back up your claim if you weren’t lying.
It’s not ad hominem. I’m not dude’s dad or teacher. He can take four seconds and Google it.
Yeah, you’re just someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about well enough to back it up.
Now who’s making claims without evidence?
it is
Did you see the raw intelligence or are we just going with Israel and their allies saying to us “trust me bro”? Seems unlikely that the UN aid agency is actually a secret Hamas organization. That’s very convenient.
That’s not what anyone has said.
So what have they said? Maybe you can provide links?
What am I your secretary? I wrote what they said in this thread. Some dumbo comes along and says “citation needed.”
If that resonated with you, perhaps you also have not followed this story closely enough to know what you’re talking about? Try adding the words “state department” or “intelligence briefing” to your Google search string. If you had followed the story closely enough, you’d already know what sources I was referencing in my initial post. Maybe you could disagree with their responses, but saying “citation needed” to the basic facts of the story instantly reveals you as unserious.
This is ass backwards. UNRWA immediately fired the accused employees solely because they were worried about the potential ramifications and figured it wasn’t something worth fighting. They had and have seen zero actual evidence to back it up. Meanwhile, half the west stupidly took this as evidence that the allegations were true and pulled their future funding, while they too have seen zero actual evidence to back up Israel’s claims.
The IDF came to Washington and showed Congress and the IC the texts, social media messages, and cell phone location data, which was described by people briefed as “highly credible” and “irrefutable.”
Anthony Blinken’s State Department, Joe Biden’s admin, and the foreign affairs committee immediately pulled the money. If the evidence they saw could rationally be disregarded as “stupid,” which is your assessment, even though you yourself have not seen the evidence, you are suggesting what exactly, that the cell phone metadata, social media data, and text logs–which sufficed to put the US government into immediate action–were completely forged? You think the DNI and CIA Director got fooled as to the credibility of the intelligence, but not you, you know the truth? That sounds pretty insane.
Occam’s Razor: largest employer in a tiny area, terrorist group is extremely popular in that area, some of the employees are accomplices and co-conspirators to that terrorist group?
Biden is SO CRITICAL of Israel that he’s ready to send them BILLIONS more dollars without Congressional Approval! THAT will teach Israel to STOP!
Yeha, he’s just making sure he wins the next elections. He knows this is one of the reasons why people won’t vote for him. The fact he is keeping it this tame just shows he really doesn’t want to affect his relations with Israel. So, after he wins, everything will stay the same way.
I’m guessing you’re his biographer? Maybe his therapist? Are you him?
Gotta be kidding me of the three to know so much about what his intentions are.
Not really. The war in Gaza is unpopular among the population, but there is pressure for him to send aid to Israel. There are not many ways to slime that one out and have a chance to win the upcoming election. Speak loudly what the masses want to hear, do what he needs to appease the more powerful people who can screw him over.
He’s a politician after all, his priority is to maintain power at home, not to stop the war in Gaza.
He’s an American president: Gaza is not, not should be- his priority. America is not the world police. And the sooner people realize this/ the better we’ll all be from it.
It’s a pretty obvious polical move given what we can see.
No, it isn’t. It’s just easy to jump to that conclusion when you start there and work your way back.
Just connect the dots, I believe in you.
“over the top” is a bit tame in my opinion. i would frankly go as far as to say what they’re doing is “not cool”, maybe even “uncalled for”
I suppose a bowling ball is perhaps sharper than a soggy mattress -_-
Next he will tell them to knock it off. That will show them for sure.
*finger wagging strengthens, stern look intensifies*
*wink* *nod* [keeps sending Israel bombs to use against civilians in Gaza]
Now that his criticism is nice and sharp, maybe he can waggle that around in a threatening manner.
If stern looks killed, Bibi would still be absolutelly fine right now.
If Bibi keeps going like this, he might get grounded, or worse without dessert!
What he needs to say is, “You’ve had your fun. Stop now. If not, we’ll invade.”
No need to invade, just stop giving them new toys.
Could just demand the immediate resignation of Bibi and his government as a prerequisite for a continued alliance, but that would require a spine.
Yep, they’re already struggling as it is. If they had to fight house to house with just rifles they’d stand no chance.
Delusional.
- Provides political, military, and economic support for Israel after they were attacked horrifically. Refuses to set any limits or conditions upon said support
- Gets taken for a ride by the hardline zealots who see this as their best chance to crush Gaza completely, and already have high level government and cabinet ministers attending & hosting talks to annex Gaza in part or completely
- Cannot undo what he has done in the name of geopolitics, increasingly is getting hammered by Muslim voters in the US at large, and voters across the spectrum who sympathize with the Palestinian civilians, and a growing rebellion within his own party
There was a moral imperative in 1948 & 1967 to support Israel against outside aggression who openly stated they wanted to end Israel. There’s now a moral imperative to protect Gazans and their land as was agreed to in Oslo II.
Enjoy your mess Joe, you sleepwalked into this one, crisis by crisis by believing Bibi unconditionally until very recently. Because now Egypt is getting testy:
Netanyahu’s words have also alarmed Egypt which has said that any ground operation in the Rafah area or mass displacement across the border would undermine its 40-year-old peace treaty with Israel. The mostly sealed Gaza-Egypt border is also the main entry point for humanitarian aid.
That’s a big fucking issue, if Egypt is throwing that language around I doubt Jordan is far behind them. I’ll say it again, is the alliance with Israel worth it, if it jeopardizes US relations with literally every other nation in the gulf?
I hate Israel more than the next guy, but those nations likely wouldn’t be sympathetic to the west’s form of government anyways.
Israel is not a colony we created because we felt bad for Jewish people. Israel is a colony we created to be able to project power in the middle east.
So, it’s not about getting Arab nations to like us. It’s about having a place to park stealth bombers those countries don’t have the technology to shoot down. It’s about having a Mafia group willing to do our dirty work so we don’t look that bad doing it
A sad truth but this is the truth of Israel.
There was a moral imperative to protect Israel when it was massacring and ethnically cleansing 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1948? No. There was and continues to be a moral imperative to do everything in order to end the existence of the Zionist entity.
I don’t have the energy to dive into the pre-1948 history of Palestine beyond to say this;
- The Nakba was (and remains) a stain on humanity, as a direct result of European nations like Poland, France, and the UK callously using the holocaust as cover for their own anti-Semitic motivations to ‘offload’ their Jewish population into Palestine, at the expense of the locals
- The British especially, but the Allied powers as a whole, undermined the crumbing Ottoman Empire by promising self-determination to the Arab rebels, all while having already assigned and divided that land for themselves and their Allies after WW1
- Irgun and other Jewish militias were doing A LOT of terrorism, against both the British in charge during Mandatory Palestine, and the existing Arab population and civilians
While acknowledging the above, the fact is that in 1948 there was a Jewish population there, who were facing a second genocide attempt that decade. The powers that be washed their hands of it, not unlike the Fall of Saigon or Afghanistan, yet we don’t learn from our interventionism. To unwind this problem requires either a robot peace that both sides want, or one of the two getting ethnically cleansed.
Wrong. There was a white supremacist colonialist Zionist presence in Palestine, which aimed to sieze the country for itself and dispossess its natives, which it did through massacres and ethnic cleansing. There was no “second genocide attempt”. There was only Palestinian and Arab self defence in the face of an armed, murderous society that sought to dispossess and erase the Palestinian people entirely. The solution is the destruction of the settler colonialist state and that is what will happen.
'It does not matter how many there are. We will sweep them into the sea. Arab League Secretary-General Azzam Pasha, 1948
Idk that certainly sounds like “kill them all”
I’m not denying the origins of Israel, that it was created by colonial powers at the expense of Arabs & Palestinians, nor that it displaced a significant Palestinian population after an organized and protracted campaign of Zionist, Jewish terrorism. However in 1948 the reality is the Jews were there, and the rhetoric from the top was of elimination and eradication - and that is a genocidal act
I had nothing to do with it, damnit.
The administration is clearly over Netanyahu, Blinken had some pretty strong comments on this week’s trip. He also met with Gantz, Eisenkot and Lapid so they’re clearly looking at the post-Netanyahu era.
The post-netanyahu era will look just like the netanyahu era, just like how US presidents will change but the military industrial complex marches along the same line.
Israeli history would say otherwise. When a leader is forced out, there is a change in government policy and position.
Well not for the past 75 years. They have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians and building illegal settlements on Palestinian internationally recognised land for decades. Not to mention the continuous oppression of Palestinians under their occupation and many other horrors.
We can start with Golda Meir and the Yom Kippur War, in 1973. It was thought by Israelis that she was taken by surprise. Israelis waited until the shooting stopped and forced her out in favor of Rabin who made peace and signed the Oslo Accords. Which was his undoing since it was the reason given for his assassination. There are other examples.
It was still a pretty shitty deal for Palestinians. Israel still kept control over their borders, air space, and waters. It didn’t address the settlements, it was meant to undermine their attempt for a state, it didn’t address refugees. And even though it was a terrible deal for Palestinians, it was still too much for the Israeli right-wing. They do not want peace or true Palestinian sovereignty, and never have for all those decades.
Peace is taken through iteration. The Camp David Accords cured some of that.
Hard agree. People want Biden to call for Netanyahu to get the Noreaga treatment. That’s not how displomacy works.
But this will be the end for Netanyahu, if Israel is to have any credibility. America has work to do on this front right now, too: by making sure that fat orange fuck that wants open war with Iran doesn’t get reelected, and end up killing tens of millions of people after the cascade of failed mid-east states that would follow.
Wow he said a slightly negative sentence about the terrorists he promised to limitlessly fund that genocides brown people. If anybody was wondering why he’s unpopular it’s this shit.
Directly after that sentence he proceeded to say in this short video:
He has a stutter! Stop shaming him because he doesn’t live up to your speaking privilege.
Yes, he has a stutter and typically does a very good job of working through it.
He didn’t stutter, go watch the linked video and stop shamelessly carrying water for him.
Just click the video it’s like 30 seconds. Biden paused for quite a while before making such a massive mistake.
