Press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed the apparent war crime was legal even as she said Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth knew nothing about it.
The White House on Monday shifted the blame for killing the survivors of a U.S. military strike on an alleged drug smuggling boat from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and onto the commanding admiral.
Killing survivors of a destroyed vessel is literally an example of a war crime in the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual. “For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal,” the manual reads.
Press secretary Karoline Leavitt, nevertheless, repeatedly stated that it was legal – even as she further claimed, as Donald Trump did Sunday, that Hegseth was unaware that it had happened.
And this is one of the many, many good reasons why one does not comply with illegal orders, damn it!
Ah, yes the most upstanding army that didn’t comply to illegal orders in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria et al.
The fuck you guys smoking?
That just underscores the point I made.
What point? That you live in an imaginary fantasy land?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging
A proud American tradition
That makes me wonder what the highest level frag has been. I mean, not counting Caesar.
Seems it’s Caesar then.
Oh look, exactly what Mark Kelly was talking about. Shit rolls down hill guys. Remember that when someone orders you to murder people.
The top brass who aren’t full on MAGA, but didn’t leave now have clear proof that they are expendable and will be scapegoated to protect Trump and his croneys. Honestly showing their hand at this stage gives me a lot of hope that any coup won’t happen now and resistance will be strengthened from within. I smell leaks coming!
I just followed the orders.
the beautiful part is that if they followed the orders, they get thrown under the bus. If they DIDN’T follow the orders, they get thrown under the bus. Can’t win.
I’d rather be illegally discharged and deal with that in court than proceed to murder people so my boss isn’t mad at me.
Killing survivors of a destroyed vessel is literally an example of a war crime in the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual. “For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal,” the manual reads.
RTFM
I didn’t see anything about reading the fan mail…
That’s like what my understanding of fubar was, face unrecognizable, belay any response.
Thanks Dad.
Combined with a pretty bad case of face blindness led me to telling a fellow classmate a professor was “fubar” in public…
I’m confused—I thought that acronym was ‘fudged up beyond any repair’? I also don’t get ‘belay any response’. Does this mean to ‘remain unresponsive’? The confusion here being that belay means to halt essentially—so the word choice doesn’t make intuitive sense to me.
If this was all just a setup for the joke, apologies for the technicalities
Your understanding of the term, assuming you replaced “fucked” with “fudged”, is correct. The explanation given by the father was a lie to avoid teaching curse words to a child.
I think it works as instructions on how to face Cthulhu. Or maybe explains deer reacting to headlights.
Edit: I was reading ‘face’ as a verb as in 'to confront", instructing you to face the unrecognizable.
On the other hand I guess it could be a suggestion that you hide any recognizable facial responses to something.
If it’s any consolation, more than several professors ARE fubar
As they should. But the fact that he chose to follow an obviously illegal order, doesn’t absolve the ones who gave that order. This should in no way, take the heat off Hegseth…or Trump himself.
Follow illegal orders, get thrown under the bus.
Dont follow illegal orders, get thrown under the bus.
you know I’m starting to think that maybe they should just deal with the people giving the orders
That’s very uncommon for brainwashed crowd called “military” to do so.
… and following the orders.
Its probably best to distance from the MAGA insanity if at all possible.
Stop the bus
Yes, the actual problem is people following orders.
I can’t believe it was Joe Biden that flew the plane.
I heard Obama told him too
Hillary coordinated it all from email!
It’s all on the private server!
And all the males Hunter buttered up!
Get me those laptops photos!
Pretty sure Obama was the weapons specialist on board… gees.
So we went from denial, to it happened but it wasn’t us…
The Narcissist’s Prayer:
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault. <— we are here
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.I think we’re currently in the phase where it’s rapidly undulating between both takes.
Give it another week and it’ll devolve into “what firing on shipwrecked people? What are you talking about? Lalalala, I can’t hear you!”
When do we enter the phase that no boat was even destroyed that day?
Hey military— see what happens when you obey illegal orders?
⤵️🚌
I mean, probably nothing. Its not like anyone is going to investigate or prosecute. Trump’s just throwing up chaff so he can whine about the press treating him unfairly. “We didn’t do it, but if we did it would have been based and cool, and don’t think we won’t do the thing we didn’t do again if we feel like it” is exactly what I’d have expected to hear from a PR flack in the Bush or Reagan Era.
Hell, I’m pretty sure this is the line Bush Sr used when the US shot down that Iranian passenger airliner. Nobody suffered any kind of consequence for that, either. Hell, the air warfare coordinator on duty received the Navy Commendation Medal after killing a few hundred civilians.
I bet Trump’s Navy Command is going to look like late-stage Brezhnev by the time he’s finished passing out pins and ribbons for civilian casualties.
Yeah, except the investigative body in this case is not the US government.
So no consequences for them again? Got it.
Admiral should’ve remembered the oldest rule in the military… “shit always rolls downhill.” Don’t think for a second that your superior will cover for you when something like this happens, even if they gave the order and should also be held accountable.
If he ordered it, or complied with the order from above, lock him up. If not, this accusation is yet another confession.
Time to make this witness cooperative.
It was LEGAL but ALSO Pete Hegseth DIDNT know about it AND we Fired someone Over it!
As was said elsewhere, the transmitted command will have been recorded. The hard undeniable truth can be provided. Congress just needs to subpoena it, or a soldier with a conscience needs to whistleblow and leak it. Otherwise, we trust the liars’ word and they get away with yet more of what are unquestionably, objectively, war crimes.
We also don’t fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement, just common sense, maximum lethality and authority for warfighters.
Pete Hegseth [Source]
warfighters
I fucking hate the way this LARPer talks about armed forces
What do you expect? The man is a washed-up talk show host and a drunk. He is by no means the only completely unsuitable buffoon in this incompetent, criminal administration.
Just for comparison: the Secretary of Education, Lisa McMahon, is a former wrestling promoter (Vince McMahon’s wife), and the Secretary of Health, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaccination advocate - not to mention the president.
All of this is so ridiculous that it would be funny if it weren’t costing so many lives…
He’s an idiot
Indeed, and a murderer
Ok… So common sense would read that as: ’ it wasn’t legal, it’s a prime example of a war crime, and Pete may not have explicitly approved of that action, but probably gave a vague order like ‘no survivors’ , which the admiral took literally, and so it’s entirely the admirals fault for not disobeying an unlawful order. ’
All I want for Christmas is a military coup, cold hard justice for the traitors enabling Trump, and emergency elections, monitored by the military, and un observers
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When. When the dictator falls.
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Ordering that operations be conducted on the basis that there be “no survivors” is also specifically cited as an example of a war crime by the same manual: “Moreover, it is also prohibited to conduct hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors, or to threaten the adversary with the denial of quarter.”
Hmm, I wonder why Admiral Holsey decided to retire when he did. 🤔
First of all, blowing up a boat like is illegal. Even if it was legal you’ll have to prove that the boat contained drugs, but you just blowed your evidences! The guys that survived the attack then would have no charges over them and would be set free. Probably these guys were innocent and the boat was not a drug boat, thus they killed them as a cover up
