VATICAN CITY (CNS) – People who act shocked that a priest would bless a gay couple but have no problem with him blessing a crooked businessman are hypocrites, Pope Francis said.
“The most serious sins are those that are disguised with a more ‘angelic’ appearance. No one is scandalized if I give a blessing to an entrepreneur who perhaps exploits people, which is a very serious sin. Whereas they are scandalized if I give it to a homosexual – this is hypocrisy,” he told the Italian magazine Credere.
The interview was scheduled for publication Feb. 8, but Vatican News reported on some of its content the day before when the magazine issued a press release about the interview.
A less hypocritical Catholic Church would be nice. I wish Francis luck, he’ll need it to push the right wing of the church to be less shitty.
I’ll take one that actually does something about it’s pedo problem.
But why would anyone beome a priest then?
I am an (agnostic) atheist, but let’s be clear: not all priests are pedophiles, this is a huge exaggeration. But I still think they should be able to marry and have children, like normal people. And I believe that this would at least stop some of them doing pedophilic acts.
Pedos are going to pedo, but if you only recruit from an audience of people that are actively trying to avoid romantic adult relationships, I imagine going to have a higher percentage of pedos in that group.
By allowing priests to marry, be LGBTQ+, etc, you’re going to have fewer open seats at the alter for pedos.
I would even challenge that pedos are going to pedo. Obviously there’s no research on this, but are pedos only attracted to children? Are all pedophiles also rapists? I find that hard to believe. I think that “child molesting priests” are an intersection of priest, pedophile, rapist, and sexually frustrated.
But Lemmy only deals in extremes. Like AcAB
All the nuns you can eat
Please elaborate
Nun of yo damn buisness.
Free room and board? They don’t even hold you to a vow of poverty, the Monsignor at my (former) diocese drove a Mercedes, just like Jesus would have wanted for him.
They started the Church of England so that the king could get a divorce. Now they’re probably gonna start the Church of New England to force their wives to stay with their toxic asses.
Harken, to the the tale of the birth of Massachusetts…
Help, I’m too European to know anything about the birth of Massachusetts
It was settled mainly by Puritans, a Calvinist flavor of Christians that thought the Church of England was too Catholic. If you’ve heard the term “puritanical” it comes from them.
The pilgrims specifically, were the sect that was the first to land in Massachusetts, and sought to break away from the Church of England.
The basics are that the first colonies were created by a splinter faction of the Church of England known as the Puritans. There were other Puritan groups who formed colonies in New England, but the Pilgrims are the group most people think of when talking about the birth of the US, who were distinct from other groups of Puritans for pushing for complete separation from the Church of England. The Puritans basically believed that the Church of England didn’t go far enough in separating from the Catholic Church.
he’ll need it to push the right wing of the church to be less
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My family is super Catholic & conservative. They hate the Pope and it’s so weird - growing up in Catholic school, one good thing I’ll say is that we were educated in almost every aspect of that religion and its history.
So even though I can’t remember the last time I was in a church, I do remember shit like “the pope can talk to god”.
Now, of course it’s bullshit, but I have to assume that’s the premise we start from here. If so, shut the fuck up. He talks to god. End of story.
And somewhat related - they’re MAGA types. They like their dictators. Fuck off. This is what you get.
Yeah, before my grandma passed, she was a devout roman catholic, and even earned some award for her service to the church (she still volunteered in her mid 90s)
But, when the pope was criticizing Trumps border concentration camps, she said, “The pope needs to mind his own business.” It’s wild.
She wasn’t a Maga type, but she was absolutely a bigot and not a nice person.
The only moral [disagreement with the Vatican] is my [disagreement with the Vatican].
That’s a bingo!
I think that many of these types see Trump as God himself (or Jesus maybe) so his views outrank the pope. That’s how much of an unhinged cult MAGA has become.
still catholic. still the pope. no matter how progressive he may seem.
I mean…yeah? Did you think progress was going to come from the outside? Someone’s gotta make an effort to steer the ship the right way.
Right? Credit where credit’s due
What do you think would happen if he just came out and blessed gay marriage?
They’d claim he’s possessed by a demon and disappear him.
I’m rooting for the little guy! maybe he can work his way up to a mortal position with some leverage.
Progress won’t come from any Christianity (and likely almost any religion, but I don’t know others well enough to comment). They will either need to denounce the book as being bullshit and decide to progress or they will continue to hold society behind.
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You really need to see what progress has come through Christianity to see how absurd your statement is LOL.
You mean despite of Christianity.
The book is bigger than at its base. Our society cannot progress without removing it from a focal point.
There’s no progressive religion (I am not including Buddhism). They all say that their religion promotes peace and tolerance but they still believe in what written in their sacred book and won’t change a thing.
Even the Buddhists are committing a genocide against Muslims in Myanmar.
Im pretty sure even fighting in a war at gunpoint is not a Buddhist to thing to do. Genocide definitely disqualified you. Though culturally and religious Buddhist are two different things. The Buddha basically told everyone not to worship him and make him a religious figure and every sect of Buddhism just kind of turned around and did it anyway. Their justification is “lol”. So like. I dunno. Buddhism kind of accepts that everything anyone can or will do is something they’ve done. And existence is suffering. Freeing yourself from attachment and embracing the moment with love and kindness is a person thing, and sure genociders may be cenociding other people but ultimately through a Buddhist lens they’re harming themselves and straying further from enlightenment in the here and now.
Nothing really like MATTERS for a Buddhist in the big picture sense. We live, we do things, we die, ultimately none of it comes to anything. There’s no one watching over you to punish you or praise you, and nothing for you after you die but more of this through a different lens or to finally be done with the bullshit and leave it all behind…
It’s a doctrine for being happy NOW. Follow it, don’t, ultimately you’re the only person it matters to.
Sounds like the Satanic Temple don’t it?
Faith is actually a mechanism to ensure change keeps happening. It suspends the “sealing off” of the mind that replaces sensory input with projected theory.
Buddhism uses presence for the same function abrahamic religions use faith. It’s a source of noise to keep the conceptual structure from gaslighting the adherent into being unable to see what’s in front of them.
Faith is actually a mechanism to ensure change keeps happening. It suspends the “sealing off” of the mind that replaces sensory input with projected theory.
Motherfucker. What do you think religious doctrine is and faith in it does.
Buddhism uses presence for the same function abrahamic religions use faith.
Buddhism, if you drill down into the monastic core, is introspective psychology. It has much more in common at that level with what’s considered philosophy in the western tradition, in particular Stoicism. It arrived at that knowledge during an initially productive scientific phase, meaning theorising and experimenting, later on alas it fell away from that and various groups fell back into that exact sealing off you mentioned, not investigating any more but accepting the map of the territory they read in monastery school as the territory. Religious innovation generally follows that kind of repeating pattern over quite long time-spans.
It’s a source of noise to keep the conceptual structure from gaslighting the adherent into being unable to see what’s in front of them.
You could also, you know, just be sceptical. Heck, even be a capital-S Sceptic them and the Stoics disagreed on like exactly one point which from a certain POV is semantics.
…not to mention that that’s not how the mind works. It’s not how life works. If you want entropy then it’s going to come from the outside, everything about life itself is geared towards minimising entropy on the inside, at the expense of accelerating its progression on the outside. (Yes the purpose of life is to hasten the heat-death of the universe, different topic). What may seem like internal randomness to you is merely your degrees of freedom doing their thing, the capacity to react to the same external stimulus in different ways depending on your internal state. It’s a chaotic system (and overall you are) but it’s definitely not noise, not from the POV of the organism itself: It is not subject to it, but is employing it.
If, OTOH, all you wanted to say is “hey I found a way to stop walking into lamp posts and I describe it like…” then first off congratulations, keep up the good work, but also I don’t care about your half-arsed theory. Maybe if you didn’t connect it up with the concept of noise it would’ve at least ended up being internally consistent. Keep not having theories if you want to see actual freedom from that conceptual stuff. Maybe investigate why you felt the need to to explain the experience instead of taking it at face value.
Yup. If you’re a Catholic and find yourself disagreeing with the Pope that’s a good moment to practice a little humility.
People who act shocked that a priest would bless a gay couple but have no problem with him blessing a crooked businessman are hypocrites, Pope Francis said.
Did something come up about priests blessing crooked businessmen, or is he just speaking in general terms?
Well, in the Bible, I know there were at least a few stories where Jesus didn’t take too kindly to what would be a modern day businessman.
The one where Jesus goes into a rage because a bunch of merchants set up shop in the courtyard(? Or maybe they took over the whole temple? Idk it’s been awhile) of a temple comes to mind
They aren’t merchants they’re moneychangers, ie loan sharks
Well, in the Bible, I know there were at least a few stories where Jesus didn’t take too kindly to what would be a modern day businessman.
What I meant was “Did he choose that example because of some current event?” I wasn’t questioning whether members of the church should be upset about priests blessing crooks.
Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
James 5:1-6 has a lot to say of the rich, too.
This is a warning not a condemnation. As Jesus also says “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven”.
Basically it means when you’re wealthy, it’s very hard to find a good reason to expand beyond suffering. You can just another line of coke or throw another party or go on another vacation and so you’re never forced to find the real solution to suffering.
Basically infinite medicine for the symptoms prevents the process of digging deeper to find a cure. And the digging deeper is quite painful, so it’s not the kind of thing someone does unless they’re desperate.
It could just be the nature of not necessarily being able to see one’s business corruption nor there being a test for it. Yet a homosexual couple can’t exactly hide that fact. Just my guess (I didn’t read the article).
OK, thanks for your pov.
I don’t need your blessing. Thanks.
So don’t seek it out like the people who visit the Pope do. Easy-peasy
Is it that simple though? This guy’s running around interpreting the Bible for a huge swath of the world’s population. Maybe people should read it themselves instead of letting some dude pass judgment on people, and in turn giving permission to others to pass along that same judgment.
The only one who should be blessing or judging here is God.
We should start a new religion, based on protesting this idea of the book being interpreted by the priesthood.
We could call it Protester’s Christianity or something. Protest Religion. Protestingism maybe.
That’s just the little know religion called Atheism.
Woooooooooooooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhh
Old irrelevant fuck continues to try and rehabilitate a dying organization’s image before the history books can slam shut on its chapter. Tear down the churches and build something useful instead, that’s a lot of wasted space in cities across the world.
Don’t actually tear down church buildings though.
Many of them are beautiful and even if the morals of the Organisation(s) that built them are, to put it mildly, “outdated”, it is still a huge part of our cultural history.
Use the spaces to open “sexual health centers” (like Planned Parenthood on steroids), libraries, and in like 1 or 2 per continent you could create memorial centers to keep alive the memories of the suffering created by organized, doctrinal religion.
Moving past a phase of our cultural development has to include remembering that phase. The church buildings turned to useful purpose will be powerful monuments.
I like the attitude though there is a lot to tear down. e.g., hospitals.
Leave the hospitals up, just require that they be transferred to a legitimate healthcare organization which will offer medical care without the condition of “…if my god says it’s okay” attached.
it’s the “require that they be transferred” part which might be an issue. if there’s a legal pathway to this then lets go!
Understandable. Could be a matter of putting an industry restriction in place where in order to own and operate a hospital, they’d be bound to a set of rules that would not give them the authority to refuse things like abortions and other types of healthcare that the bible-thumpers find objectionable. No more incentive to run a hospital when they won’t have that level of control over peoples’ lives.
Make the hypocratic Oath hypocratic law, binding all medical professionals. clarify that hypocratic law means preventing harm to the person delivering the child, and that the “harm” doesn’t apply to the practictioner’s personal beliefs.
Univeral healthcare also couldn’t hurt.
Ok, but you bless a homosexual marriage…
And heterosexual marriage… so isn’t it just marriage? Shouldn’t matter if it’s hetero or homo, it’s just marriage, it’s just 2 people who love each other.
I like saying homosexual marriage just to piss certain people off. Otherwise yes, just marriage.
No no no, you see, he’s traveling, not driving. It’s completely different.
Celibate crossdresser, head of notorious pedophile network, weighs in on gay marriage.
Uhhh, leave celibates and cross dressing out of this but otherwise, yes.
The entire Catholic church needs to be shut down at this point and their pious, faithful people can start a new religion if they want to.
What if what they want is to continue being catholic?
I’m not denigrating celibates or crossdressers, just drawing attention to the fact that the whole thing is deeply weird.
Christianity is deeply weird. They ritualisticly canabalize their god.
They can also confer magical powers on dihydrogen monoxide.
🤓 you are only a cannibal if you eat individuals of your own species, they eat the flesh of their god so that’s incorrect
They’re eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus, who was very much human.
As a man who wears a skirt, I’d appreciate it if you left cross dressing out of it - the pope wears traditional masculine garb… it’s just uncommon in the modern day.
Honestly, though, the concept of gendered garb can probably go the way of the dodo. Clothes serve a minor functional purpose and mostly are focused on the aesthetic - people should just wear what they like.
