I didn’t when I saw the tattoo and I didn’t recognize it as being the same as the one in from the That Mitchell and Webb Look skit, either. You must have an incredible eye for detail and amazing memory that you recognized the Nazi tattoo and were able to also recall it matched the symbol on a hat ypu saw in a sketch show.
Or maybe you’re trying too hard.
Dude got what he thought was a cool looking tattoo, not knowing the Nazi reference. What’s the other evidence you’re using to judge him here?
I wasn’t judging him, I’m saying people know that symbol as a symbol that Nazis used. Perhaps I recognize it because my dad watched WWII films/documentary as a kid.
If I’m suppose to judge him then his job working for Blackwater doesn’t paint the best picture of an individuals morals. I’m happy that he won, but his past is strange for a progressive.
people know that symbol as a symbol that Nazis used
I didn’t, and, while I’m not an expert in nazi iconography, I do know my fair share of symbols and dogwhistle phrases associated with them and other white power/neo nazi groups; a lot of new ones thanks to this administration posting them to xitter.
Perhaps I recognize it because my dad watched WWII films/documentary as a kid.
And here we have it. Your dad exposed you to information the average citizen does not possess. Your anecdote is not representative of “most people” as you said it was.
The claim that WoodScientist is trying to argue is not just that he didn’t know what it meant when he got it (and that it’s fine he left it after learning about it), but also that anyone criticizing the tattoo must be disingenuous, because nobody knew what the symbol was before this controversy. In fact, lots of people knew what it was, some from that sketch, some from movies and stuff, some from keeping an eye on far-right groups, etc. If anything, the only thing I’m learning about from this controversy is just how many people don’t recognize it.
I still see it as a just a pirate symbol. I’m 90% certain you wouldn’t have been able to recognize it as a Nazi symbol in a line up of other deaths head symbols before this campaign started. Here it is:
To me this is just a pirate flag. Do you also call everyone that owns a dog a Nazi, because Hitler owned a dog?
In what world is this a pirate flag. Show one place this is used as a pirate flag. Come on, it’s one thing to say you don’t know but you’re just lying now.
Holy mental gymnastics, batman. He was a fighter, a WWII buff, a marine, a mercenary, who bragged about “fun wars”, and got a Nazi tattoo in a former Nazi-aligned state, and beyond universal healthcare, he really isn’t even terribly progressive or radical. If the boot fits…
This bizarre type of simping for milquetoast, neoliberal, suspicious candidates is how y’all keep ending up with the likes of Hillary and Biden - who inevitably cede their power to increasingly right-leaning candidates. This refusal to demand better for the Democrats (and further, admonishing those that do) is how we keep diving deeper into the fascist decay.
The simping is crazy. All the evidence points to a questionable past and when its brought up, people attack that individual instead. Its rather bizarre.
I hope Platner does a good job. If he ends up making questionable political choices moving forward though well then shrug.
But you’ve been arguing that any Totenkopf or Death’s Head is by definition a Nazi symbol. So clearly you must think the US Marines who flew that flag while killing actual historical Nazis must themselves have been Nazis.
Totenkopf isn’t the name of the symbol Platner had, it’s a general umbrella term for skull imagery. It’s not a singularly famous icon with a scary German name, it’s just one of many in a category. That specific design was used by some Nazis (not Nazis as a whole), but also by other armed forces groups previously.
It’s the Marine Raiders expeditionary flag, a military unit in WW2.
Skull and crossbones imagery has been used by militaries since the dawn of time. And if you look on the wikipedia article for Totenkopf, you’ll find it is indistinguishable from other skull and crossbones imagery. Totenkomf is just the German word for skull and crossbones. Wikipedia explicitly labels the following image a Totenkopf:
Honestly, you’re doing the equivalent of right wingers who hyperventilated about the fact that Obama attended a “Madrassa” for awhile as a child. The mouth breathers were too stupid to realize that madrassa is just the Arabic word for school.
There is no difference between a deaths head and a “totenkopf.” It literally means “dead person’s head” in German.
He was a fighter, a WWII buff, a marine, a mercenary, who bragged about “fun wars”, and got a Nazi tattoo in a former Nazi-aligned state, and beyond universal healthcare, he really isn’t even terribly progressive or radical. If the boot fits…
So he sounds like basically every soldier I’ve ever met? And quit slandering him with the Nazi label. You’re insulting the victims of the Holocaust every time you water down that term.
Platner is not a neoliberal. He defeated a neoliberal in the primary, running on an unabashadly progressive ticket. Demanding better Democrats is exactly why we now have Platner.
Your attitude is precisely why we’ve been stuck with such milquetoast candidates. Your approach selects for psychopathy. You demand candidates have perfectly manicured pasts. You only accept people with spotlessly clean backgrounds with nothing you find uncomfortable or problematic. The only people with those backgrounds are power-hungry psychopaths who’ve been groomed their entire lives for paths of power. You’re looking for wealthy white people who went to private school, did debate club in high school, and attended an Ivy League school. That’s the only kind of candidate you find acceptable - highly polished, a perfectly curated social media history, absolutely nothing objectionable about them.
That’s how you end up with soulless corporate goons. You end up with people that ultimately believe in nothing except achieving power, and they’ve lived their entire lives ensuring that they do absolutely nothing that could ever offend someone. You’re looking for candidates that have spent more time obsessing over their image than actually living their lives.
Sorry, but real people make mistakes. Real people have flaws. And if the Democratic Party is going to have any future, it needs to stop crucifying every male candidate that doesn’t have the vibe of a Harvard gender studies major.
Its the symbol used on that " are we the baddies?" Skit, people recognize it as a Nazi symbol in pop culture.
I didn’t when I saw the tattoo and I didn’t recognize it as being the same as the one in from the That Mitchell and Webb Look skit, either. You must have an incredible eye for detail and amazing memory that you recognized the Nazi tattoo and were able to also recall it matched the symbol on a hat ypu saw in a sketch show.
Or maybe you’re trying too hard.
Dude got what he thought was a cool looking tattoo, not knowing the Nazi reference. What’s the other evidence you’re using to judge him here?
I wasn’t judging him, I’m saying people know that symbol as a symbol that Nazis used. Perhaps I recognize it because my dad watched WWII films/documentary as a kid.
If I’m suppose to judge him then his job working for Blackwater doesn’t paint the best picture of an individuals morals. I’m happy that he won, but his past is strange for a progressive.
I didn’t, and, while I’m not an expert in nazi iconography, I do know my fair share of symbols and dogwhistle phrases associated with them and other white power/neo nazi groups; a lot of new ones thanks to this administration posting them to xitter.
And here we have it. Your dad exposed you to information the average citizen does not possess. Your anecdote is not representative of “most people” as you said it was.
That came out roughly 1 year before he got the tattoo.
How many British comedies do you think a deployed Marine was watching?
The claim that WoodScientist is trying to argue is not just that he didn’t know what it meant when he got it (and that it’s fine he left it after learning about it), but also that anyone criticizing the tattoo must be disingenuous, because nobody knew what the symbol was before this controversy. In fact, lots of people knew what it was, some from that sketch, some from movies and stuff, some from keeping an eye on far-right groups, etc. If anything, the only thing I’m learning about from this controversy is just how many people don’t recognize it.
I still see it as a just a pirate symbol. I’m 90% certain you wouldn’t have been able to recognize it as a Nazi symbol in a line up of other deaths head symbols before this campaign started. Here it is:
To me this is just a pirate flag. Do you also call everyone that owns a dog a Nazi, because Hitler owned a dog?
We know what you see it as, because you’re a moron.
In what world is this a pirate flag. Show one place this is used as a pirate flag. Come on, it’s one thing to say you don’t know but you’re just lying now.
Look at the actual Wikipedia article on the symbol. It literally has a whole section on the use of the symbol in pirate flags.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf
Holy mental gymnastics, batman. He was a fighter, a WWII buff, a marine, a mercenary, who bragged about “fun wars”, and got a Nazi tattoo in a former Nazi-aligned state, and beyond universal healthcare, he really isn’t even terribly progressive or radical. If the boot fits…
This bizarre type of simping for milquetoast, neoliberal, suspicious candidates is how y’all keep ending up with the likes of Hillary and Biden - who inevitably cede their power to increasingly right-leaning candidates. This refusal to demand better for the Democrats (and further, admonishing those that do) is how we keep diving deeper into the fascist decay.
The simping is crazy. All the evidence points to a questionable past and when its brought up, people attack that individual instead. Its rather bizarre.
I hope Platner does a good job. If he ends up making questionable political choices moving forward though well then shrug.
Do you think this is a Nazi flag as well?
Because this is a flag of people who literally fought and died against the actual historical Nazis.,
I’ve never seeing that flag before and I cannot make a judgement on it.
But you’ve been arguing that any Totenkopf or Death’s Head is by definition a Nazi symbol. So clearly you must think the US Marines who flew that flag while killing actual historical Nazis must themselves have been Nazis.
The picture presented is not a Totenkopf though.
What is the name of the flag? Or a source of it? I don’t recognize it.
The flag is also a totenkopf.
Totenkopf isn’t the name of the symbol Platner had, it’s a general umbrella term for skull imagery. It’s not a singularly famous icon with a scary German name, it’s just one of many in a category. That specific design was used by some Nazis (not Nazis as a whole), but also by other armed forces groups previously.
It’s the Marine Raiders expeditionary flag, a military unit in WW2.
Skull and crossbones imagery has been used by militaries since the dawn of time. And if you look on the wikipedia article for Totenkopf, you’ll find it is indistinguishable from other skull and crossbones imagery. Totenkomf is just the German word for skull and crossbones. Wikipedia explicitly labels the following image a Totenkopf:
Honestly, you’re doing the equivalent of right wingers who hyperventilated about the fact that Obama attended a “Madrassa” for awhile as a child. The mouth breathers were too stupid to realize that madrassa is just the Arabic word for school.
There is no difference between a deaths head and a “totenkopf.” It literally means “dead person’s head” in German.
So he sounds like basically every soldier I’ve ever met? And quit slandering him with the Nazi label. You’re insulting the victims of the Holocaust every time you water down that term.
Platner is not a neoliberal. He defeated a neoliberal in the primary, running on an unabashadly progressive ticket. Demanding better Democrats is exactly why we now have Platner.
Your attitude is precisely why we’ve been stuck with such milquetoast candidates. Your approach selects for psychopathy. You demand candidates have perfectly manicured pasts. You only accept people with spotlessly clean backgrounds with nothing you find uncomfortable or problematic. The only people with those backgrounds are power-hungry psychopaths who’ve been groomed their entire lives for paths of power. You’re looking for wealthy white people who went to private school, did debate club in high school, and attended an Ivy League school. That’s the only kind of candidate you find acceptable - highly polished, a perfectly curated social media history, absolutely nothing objectionable about them.
That’s how you end up with soulless corporate goons. You end up with people that ultimately believe in nothing except achieving power, and they’ve lived their entire lives ensuring that they do absolutely nothing that could ever offend someone. You’re looking for candidates that have spent more time obsessing over their image than actually living their lives.
Sorry, but real people make mistakes. Real people have flaws. And if the Democratic Party is going to have any future, it needs to stop crucifying every male candidate that doesn’t have the vibe of a Harvard gender studies major.