I voted for him. Fuck the establishment. He refused to play dirty politics and sling mud, even when it was slung his way numerous times. I wish there were more candidates of his integrity.
Everyone has a past, but people can grow up and change. Graham is no different. It’s who he is today that matters.
If you truely don’t believe people can change, then what’s the point of finding Jesus, going to prison or rehab, seeking mental therapy, etc.?
Being forgiven doesn’t mean being chosen to lead the people.
Right. Votes are what counts, and votes are how one is chosen.
People late to their mcjobs are forgiven less than this.
He’s not late to a job. He’s running for an office, and he’s running with a platform that he owns and a background he owns, and he’s running against someone else with their own platform and baggage. This “mcjob” has 2 applicants that have passed the HR screening process and stand a chance at securing the open position. Which applicant is best suited to perform acceptably is up to the voter.
We don’t generally forgive convicts and let them have a new life, that’s why recidivism is so bad. Society is also quietly prejudiced against people with mental health issues, which is why it’s so hard to get treated or get time off for it. “Finding Jesus” is loaded in so many different ways I can’t cover that here.
That said, I’m totally for understanding people can change and am very much against ghost banning people with a history that they have grown out of. People do change, everyone has things they’ve fucked up in the past.
He was a retired Marine Corps Major General, started out as a true believer but paid attention to all the shit he was involved in and eventually realized that he was just violently enforcing the wishes of the wealthy true rulers of the American state.
So when some of them approached him to join the Business Plot, where they’d coup the US government in a similar fashion to Mussolini’s Italian coup (basically march a bunch of soldiers and supporters in to the captial while the government is unprepared to defend against a mob and demand the government be handed over, though in Italy’s case it helped that they had a system where a monarch held power over the rest of the government and ended up getting their way by promising to leave the king alone). Butler instead sat in meetings to gather information and then turned on them, at which point the government had some harsh words for the plotters (that included GW Bush’s grandfather) before sending them on their way to think about what they did wrong (and how to do it more effectively the next time).
This guy wasn’t just a marine but a leader of marines and though he didn’t question his orders (that we know of anyways) in the moment, he did reflect on everything he had seen and done and didn’t like it. IMO former believers who turn are even more important as allies than those who were always on the right side because the ones who have been on both sides have more experience and knowledge about the specifics of how the other side operates.
Yeah I’m really hoping Platner is another Smedley, but I’m afraid he might not be. Giving power to someone like this is scary. Hell the only reason Smedley was able to stop the business plot is that the conspirators assumed he hadn’t changed.
In the primaries I was tentatively pro Platner. In the general I’m just pro Platner. And if he wins and his actions match his words then in 6 years I’ll be extremely pro Platner.
Hell, for all I hate Fetterman I’m still glad he didn’t lose the general, Senator Mehmet Oz would’ve been worse.
If this guy was actually a Nazi he’d be fast-tracked in the Republican party instead of trying to play on hard mode rehabbing his image as a working class Democrat. You don’t even have to cover your tattoos up as a Republican, they just let you be secdef
Let’s assume for the sake of this comment that it is all bullshit and he’s actually right wing or whatever… The Republican party would now be in a win/win situation in Maine. No matter what the outcome is, they’ve won. They don’t even need to spend money on that race.
I’m not astroturfing shit, I’m just fucking pissed at all the “I refuse to vote for someone who supports genocide” people bending over backwards to avoid criticizing a man who has a Nazi tattoo and has openly talked about murdering Iraqis.
Apparently all you need to do is just say some socialist shit, and you’re golden.
Have some fucking standards.
I hope all of this concern ends up being unwarranted, I really do. And I would hold my nose and vote for him in the general if I were in Maine.
But this “how dare you be at all skeptical of a man with a dark, murderous, past and a Nazi tattoo on his chest” shit is just too much.
Like that’s really all it takes? Just pay some lip service to socialism, and you’re willing to ignore the biggest red flag for a Democratic Senate candidate I can remember ever seeing?
I think you’re more of a Nazi than Platner. He got a pirate tattoo he later regretted. You’re branding people with lifelong Scarlet Letters for innocent acts, declaring people inhuman for the most mild of actions. I wouldn’t call you a Nazi, but you’re definitely displaying more Nazi tendencies than Platner is.
This is braindead as fuck. Pirate tattoo? Are you a literal child? Platner enjoyed killing civilians so much he went back 4 more times lol. Jesus christ, you people.
Seriously. I had never even heard of a totenkopf until it came out he had one. To me it just looks like a skull n bones variant. I might’ve gotten one myself in complete ignorance. If he’d gotten a swastika, that would be an entirely different matter.
Just consider though; he could have been driving a Volkswagen, using an IBM computer, wearing Chanel cologne, while draped in Hugo Boss. Imagine that. Why do esoteric symbols matter, while the corporations that participated in the genocide still get a pass?
Lmao, people are known to be impulsive in their 20s when drunk. Not to mention the fact he got the tattoo at a time when we weren’t walking around with smart phones in our pockets.
So yeah it’s not hard to believe that a 40 yr old has better decision making skills than their 20 yr old self
Yeah, it’s so bad faith it’s comical. It’s ridiculously transparent. You could create a police line up of various deaths head iconography, from pirate flags to black death symbolism to US military units, with a few Nazi ones thrown in. Then ask these mosquitos sliming about Platner if they can identify the Nazi ones. I imagine 90% of them would fail that test.
Frankly, unless they’re an anti-fascist activist or a historian, anyone with that level of encyclopedic knowledge of SS symbols is a little sus. If someone told me they had that level of knowledge of Nazi symbolism, I would ask them if they also have that level of knowledge of other famous military or authoritarian movements. Do they also have such knowledge of Soviet, Chinese, Roman, or ancient Egyptian military symbolism? Do they study military iconography of all sorts? Or just the SS stuff? Honestly, I think anyone with that level of SS knowledge is telling on themselves.
The totenkopf is not an obscure thing, it’s literally like the third or fourth most recognizable nazi symbol after the nazi swastika and the SS runes. Even if you manage to have that massive blind spot, the totenkopf does not look like a jolly roger or any other pirate imagery so that excuse falls flat. Dude knew the whole time it was a nazi tattoo. All that is to say nearly anyone is better than Collins and till he shows he hasn’t I’m willing to believe he’s changed.
“Four tours as an infantryman in the Marines and then Army, did both Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s hard to explain how much I enjoyed combat. It is both physically and intellectually challenging, and incredibly exciting (especially the first few times). I was never a huge fan of killing, at least not for killings sake, but I did love winning and that required killing.”
I think that requires a wilful misinterpretation of what he said to conclude he “very much” enjoyed killing given he expressly says he did not. It’s certainly questionable, but it’s not as blatantly clear as many people are claiming.
Sure people can change, but has he actually shown anyone that he has changed? Time will tell wether he’s just another Fetterman or if he has genuinly changed, but I’m not holding my breath.
I voted for him. Fuck the establishment. He refused to play dirty politics and sling mud, even when it was slung his way numerous times. I wish there were more candidates of his integrity.
Everyone has a past, but people can grow up and change. Graham is no different. It’s who he is today that matters.
If you truely don’t believe people can change, then what’s the point of finding Jesus, going to prison or rehab, seeking mental therapy, etc.?
Being forgiven doesn’t mean being chosen to lead the people.
People late to their mcjobs are forgiven less than this.
Right. Votes are what counts, and votes are how one is chosen.
He’s not late to a job. He’s running for an office, and he’s running with a platform that he owns and a background he owns, and he’s running against someone else with their own platform and baggage. This “mcjob” has 2 applicants that have passed the HR screening process and stand a chance at securing the open position. Which applicant is best suited to perform acceptably is up to the voter.
We don’t generally forgive convicts and let them have a new life, that’s why recidivism is so bad. Society is also quietly prejudiced against people with mental health issues, which is why it’s so hard to get treated or get time off for it. “Finding Jesus” is loaded in so many different ways I can’t cover that here.
That said, I’m totally for understanding people can change and am very much against ghost banning people with a history that they have grown out of. People do change, everyone has things they’ve fucked up in the past.
Case in point: Smedley Butler.
He was a retired Marine Corps Major General, started out as a true believer but paid attention to all the shit he was involved in and eventually realized that he was just violently enforcing the wishes of the wealthy true rulers of the American state.
So when some of them approached him to join the Business Plot, where they’d coup the US government in a similar fashion to Mussolini’s Italian coup (basically march a bunch of soldiers and supporters in to the captial while the government is unprepared to defend against a mob and demand the government be handed over, though in Italy’s case it helped that they had a system where a monarch held power over the rest of the government and ended up getting their way by promising to leave the king alone). Butler instead sat in meetings to gather information and then turned on them, at which point the government had some harsh words for the plotters (that included GW Bush’s grandfather) before sending them on their way to think about what they did wrong (and how to do it more effectively the next time).
This guy wasn’t just a marine but a leader of marines and though he didn’t question his orders (that we know of anyways) in the moment, he did reflect on everything he had seen and done and didn’t like it. IMO former believers who turn are even more important as allies than those who were always on the right side because the ones who have been on both sides have more experience and knowledge about the specifics of how the other side operates.
Yeah I’m really hoping Platner is another Smedley, but I’m afraid he might not be. Giving power to someone like this is scary. Hell the only reason Smedley was able to stop the business plot is that the conspirators assumed he hadn’t changed.
In the primaries I was tentatively pro Platner. In the general I’m just pro Platner. And if he wins and his actions match his words then in 6 years I’ll be extremely pro Platner.
Hell, for all I hate Fetterman I’m still glad he didn’t lose the general, Senator Mehmet Oz would’ve been worse.
Ah yes, the old American tradition of letting rich white men get away with literally anything, up to and including High Treason.
Maybe I’m crazy, but “guys I grew out of the murderous Nazi beliefs” just doesn’t cut it for me. Especially for someone running for office.
They might even be telling the truth. Don’t care, you were a fucking Nazi so I will never trust you with the levers of power.
If this guy was actually a Nazi he’d be fast-tracked in the Republican party instead of trying to play on hard mode rehabbing his image as a working class Democrat. You don’t even have to cover your tattoos up as a Republican, they just let you be secdef
Let’s assume for the sake of this comment that it is all bullshit and he’s actually right wing or whatever… The Republican party would now be in a win/win situation in Maine. No matter what the outcome is, they’ve won. They don’t even need to spend money on that race.
And if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bicycle.
Good cop bad cop. I don’t believe they are as stupid as you think.
It’s there any Nazi ideology you can quote? Or are we still talking about a covered up tattoo?
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I’m not astroturfing shit, I’m just fucking pissed at all the “I refuse to vote for someone who supports genocide” people bending over backwards to avoid criticizing a man who has a Nazi tattoo and has openly talked about murdering Iraqis.
Apparently all you need to do is just say some socialist shit, and you’re golden.
Have some fucking standards.
I hope all of this concern ends up being unwarranted, I really do. And I would hold my nose and vote for him in the general if I were in Maine.
But this “how dare you be at all skeptical of a man with a dark, murderous, past and a Nazi tattoo on his chest” shit is just too much.
Like that’s really all it takes? Just pay some lip service to socialism, and you’re willing to ignore the biggest red flag for a Democratic Senate candidate I can remember ever seeing?
I think you’re more of a Nazi than Platner. He got a pirate tattoo he later regretted. You’re branding people with lifelong Scarlet Letters for innocent acts, declaring people inhuman for the most mild of actions. I wouldn’t call you a Nazi, but you’re definitely displaying more Nazi tendencies than Platner is.
This is braindead as fuck. Pirate tattoo? Are you a literal child? Platner enjoyed killing civilians so much he went back 4 more times lol. Jesus christ, you people.
Plus they have an encyclopedic knowledge of Nazi symbology and expect everyone should as well
Seriously. I had never even heard of a totenkopf until it came out he had one. To me it just looks like a skull n bones variant. I might’ve gotten one myself in complete ignorance. If he’d gotten a swastika, that would be an entirely different matter.
Just consider though; he could have been driving a Volkswagen, using an IBM computer, wearing Chanel cologne, while draped in Hugo Boss. Imagine that. Why do esoteric symbols matter, while the corporations that participated in the genocide still get a pass?
This the game you want to play?
Lmao, people are known to be impulsive in their 20s when drunk. Not to mention the fact he got the tattoo at a time when we weren’t walking around with smart phones in our pockets.
So yeah it’s not hard to believe that a 40 yr old has better decision making skills than their 20 yr old self
Yeah, it’s so bad faith it’s comical. It’s ridiculously transparent. You could create a police line up of various deaths head iconography, from pirate flags to black death symbolism to US military units, with a few Nazi ones thrown in. Then ask these mosquitos sliming about Platner if they can identify the Nazi ones. I imagine 90% of them would fail that test.
Frankly, unless they’re an anti-fascist activist or a historian, anyone with that level of encyclopedic knowledge of SS symbols is a little sus. If someone told me they had that level of knowledge of Nazi symbolism, I would ask them if they also have that level of knowledge of other famous military or authoritarian movements. Do they also have such knowledge of Soviet, Chinese, Roman, or ancient Egyptian military symbolism? Do they study military iconography of all sorts? Or just the SS stuff? Honestly, I think anyone with that level of SS knowledge is telling on themselves.
The totenkopf is not an obscure thing, it’s literally like the third or fourth most recognizable nazi symbol after the nazi swastika and the SS runes. Even if you manage to have that massive blind spot, the totenkopf does not look like a jolly roger or any other pirate imagery so that excuse falls flat. Dude knew the whole time it was a nazi tattoo. All that is to say nearly anyone is better than Collins and till he shows he hasn’t I’m willing to believe he’s changed.
What Nazi beliefs has he espoused so far on the campaign trail?
Politicians never lie, good point. And it’s not like we have at least two examples of this exact thing happening before.
Alright well I guess we will see. Also fuck Susan Collins. I’m glad she’s outta there.
She’s not out of there yet, Platner has only won the Democratic nomination. He still needs to run against her.
That’s the level of political knowledge these people possess 🤦
Enjoying killing innocent Iraqis. Next question?
From his 2015 reddit comments.
Sounds like he very much enjoyed it, lol.
I think that requires a wilful misinterpretation of what he said to conclude he “very much” enjoyed killing given he expressly says he did not. It’s certainly questionable, but it’s not as blatantly clear as many people are claiming.
Right, he hated doing it so much that he just had to go back 4 times. And then he continued to hate it while he joined Blackwater as a mercenary.
Sure people can change, but has he actually shown anyone that he has changed? Time will tell wether he’s just another Fetterman or if he has genuinly changed, but I’m not holding my breath.