Seriously, unless you’re working a labor job in manufacturing there’s little reason to do 90% of all white collar jobs in person. It’s all staring at a damn computer screen anyway so who cares where you do it from?
Seriously… Everyone is missing all the side b.s that comes with cars especially new cars…
My car was “cheap” for a new car and it still came with a lane change radar thing… Guess who has a $1200 windshield replacement now because some schmuck kicked up a rock with their car? $300 was expensive for a windshield but now I need a freaking sensor alignment too?
Public transit only works in densely-packed cities. I do not want to live in a densely-packed city. In suburbs, where life is relatively pleasant, public transit is agonizingly slow compared to cars.
It works pretty well here in Berlin. The trains go far to the suburbs and beyond, are fast and comfortable. You pay 49 euros a month and can travel anywhere in the country with the ticket. Most of them go even at night.
Well, why don’t you compare? Open up Google Maps. Choose two points in the suburbs, and see how long it takes to travel between them by car versus by public transit.
I did the same, between my apartment complex and a nearby business, and the estimates are 12 minutes by car and 47 minutes by bus. Main problem: there’s a transfer in the middle of this route where I’d have to wait 11 minutes for the next bus to arrive.
I tried again with a different business, and got a direct bus route with no transfers and exactly the same route I’d take in a car. This is the best-case scenario for public transit, but going by car is still significantly faster: 10 minutes by car, or 17 minutes by bus.
You mean densely-packed cities? I would not call that sane. I would call that hellish. You have no privacy, no yard for your kids and pets to play in, almost no living space, a building manager threatening you with homelessness and catastrophic debt unless you bow to his every whim, and you pay a king’s ransom for the dubious privilege of living like that. No thank you.
You mean densely-packed cities? I would not call that sane. I would call that hellish.
You have no privacy,
There are forms of non-SFH density that offer plenty of privacy.
no yard for your kids and pets to play in,
The existence of rowhouses makes this false. It’s completely possible to have a yard while not living in densities that support public transportation and cycling.
Higher densities also usually come with common amenities like parks, where your children can play, and also walk to/cycle to without risking their lives. Their friends can also walk/cycle there.
almost no living space,
Baseless falsehood.
a building manager threatening you with homelessness
Higher densities does not equal living in a rental apartment, false again
and catastrophic debt unless you bow to his every whim,
As opposed to living in a house which you don’t have to incur any debt whatsoever to obtain? Hell of a statement.
and you pay a king’s ransom for the dubious privilege of living like that.
Cities are usually more expensive on account of the fact that people actually want to live there, because people want to be close to the things that they want to do, and not have to spend their lives sitting in traffic behind the wheel all their lives. Lots of places have also tax incentivized living in suburban densities to the detriment of those living in higher densities, so it’s not like the higher cost is a law of nature.
Hydrogen is only 30% efficient compared to 90-95% for batteries. Most hydrogen is currently made from fossil fuels, and contains less energy than the fossil fuels used to make it.
but an electric car is heavier than a hydrogen car, so the electric platform is less efficient. imagine carrying an extra ton of a batterypack wherever u go. hydrogen could be made from renewable energy, and doesn’t require batteries to be stored. battery metals are finite. u can’t scale that up. 5kg of H2 translates to 400km mileage.
Most large combustion SUVs are heavier than most electric cars.
Sodium ion batteries are being produced with no rare metals in them, and will be in production cars within a year. Hydrogen is difficult to store due to is low volumetric density, it’s molecular size, and corrosive nature.
Hydrogen (fuel cell) cars all have a battery because a hydrogen fuel cell is slow to change it’s energy output, so can’t change its output fast enough to directly power the car.
Battery electric cars are about 90% efficient from charging from the grid to moving. Hydrogen cars are about 30% efficient from grid to moving when made from renewable energy. These efficiency numbers include the weight and rolling resistance of the car. The theoretical maximum efficiency of hydrogen storage allowed by the limits of physics is about 50%.
The volumetric density of hydrogen is so low that you would need 20 tanker trucks to transport the same amount of energy that 1 tanker truck of gasoline can carry. This is at maximum pressure or liquified.
Hydrogen only makes sense when the weight of the energy storage medium is critical. As demonstrated by American cars, it isn’t.
Twice as expensive to fill as a gas car and more expensive than a battery EV to buy, all while still producing tons of CO2 by steam reforming methane to make the hydrogen? Wow, sign me up!
Hydrogen is the answer, but the question is “How can fossil fuel companies keep making money while pretending to be green?”
Answer: hydrogen
Actual answer: Public transportation and bicycles
Actual actual answer: WFH
A job is not the only place any given person would have the need to transport themselves to.
Seriously, unless you’re working a labor job in manufacturing there’s little reason to do 90% of all white collar jobs in person. It’s all staring at a damn computer screen anyway so who cares where you do it from?
Seriously… Everyone is missing all the side b.s that comes with cars especially new cars…
My car was “cheap” for a new car and it still came with a lane change radar thing… Guess who has a $1200 windshield replacement now because some schmuck kicked up a rock with their car? $300 was expensive for a windshield but now I need a freaking sensor alignment too?
Yeah
…are far too slow to be a practical substitute for a car.
In the US? Yep! We really need working public transit that isn’t seen as a poor person’s “punishment”.
Public transit only works in densely-packed cities. I do not want to live in a densely-packed city. In suburbs, where life is relatively pleasant, public transit is agonizingly slow compared to cars.
It works pretty well here in Berlin. The trains go far to the suburbs and beyond, are fast and comfortable. You pay 49 euros a month and can travel anywhere in the country with the ticket. Most of them go even at night.
Well, why don’t you compare? Open up Google Maps. Choose two points in the suburbs, and see how long it takes to travel between them by car versus by public transit.
I did the same, between my apartment complex and a nearby business, and the estimates are 12 minutes by car and 47 minutes by bus. Main problem: there’s a transfer in the middle of this route where I’d have to wait 11 minutes for the next bus to arrive.
I tried again with a different business, and got a direct bus route with no transfers and exactly the same route I’d take in a car. This is the best-case scenario for public transit, but going by car is still significantly faster: 10 minutes by car, or 17 minutes by bus.
This is highly dependent on what kind of built environment you happen to live in. In sanely built places, it’s very much not true.
You mean densely-packed cities? I would not call that sane. I would call that hellish. You have no privacy, no yard for your kids and pets to play in, almost no living space, a building manager threatening you with homelessness and catastrophic debt unless you bow to his every whim, and you pay a king’s ransom for the dubious privilege of living like that. No thank you.
A lot of untruths to unpack here.
There are forms of non-SFH density that offer plenty of privacy.
The existence of rowhouses makes this false. It’s completely possible to have a yard while not living in densities that support public transportation and cycling.
Higher densities also usually come with common amenities like parks, where your children can play, and also walk to/cycle to without risking their lives. Their friends can also walk/cycle there.
Baseless falsehood.
Higher densities does not equal living in a rental apartment, false again
As opposed to living in a house which you don’t have to incur any debt whatsoever to obtain? Hell of a statement.
Cities are usually more expensive on account of the fact that people actually want to live there, because people want to be close to the things that they want to do, and not have to spend their lives sitting in traffic behind the wheel all their lives. Lots of places have also tax incentivized living in suburban densities to the detriment of those living in higher densities, so it’s not like the higher cost is a law of nature.
Generally poor take.
Hydrogen is only 30% efficient compared to 90-95% for batteries. Most hydrogen is currently made from fossil fuels, and contains less energy than the fossil fuels used to make it.
I’d love to see the technology develop more but it’s definitely not viable today. It’s like when EVs started out.
but an electric car is heavier than a hydrogen car, so the electric platform is less efficient. imagine carrying an extra ton of a batterypack wherever u go. hydrogen could be made from renewable energy, and doesn’t require batteries to be stored. battery metals are finite. u can’t scale that up. 5kg of H2 translates to 400km mileage.
Most large combustion SUVs are heavier than most electric cars.
Sodium ion batteries are being produced with no rare metals in them, and will be in production cars within a year. Hydrogen is difficult to store due to is low volumetric density, it’s molecular size, and corrosive nature.
Hydrogen (fuel cell) cars all have a battery because a hydrogen fuel cell is slow to change it’s energy output, so can’t change its output fast enough to directly power the car.
Battery electric cars are about 90% efficient from charging from the grid to moving. Hydrogen cars are about 30% efficient from grid to moving when made from renewable energy. These efficiency numbers include the weight and rolling resistance of the car. The theoretical maximum efficiency of hydrogen storage allowed by the limits of physics is about 50%.
The volumetric density of hydrogen is so low that you would need 20 tanker trucks to transport the same amount of energy that 1 tanker truck of gasoline can carry. This is at maximum pressure or liquified.
Hydrogen only makes sense when the weight of the energy storage medium is critical. As demonstrated by American cars, it isn’t.
Twice as expensive to fill as a gas car and more expensive than a battery EV to buy, all while still producing tons of CO2 by steam reforming methane to make the hydrogen? Wow, sign me up!
Hydrogen is the answer, but the question is “How can fossil fuel companies keep making money while pretending to be green?”
The technology is extremely underdeveloped. That’s why it’s so expensive and impractical right now. Batteries aren’t ecological saints either.
Hydrogen is a pain to store and work with. Even on rocket engine that is worth millions it’s almost impossible to avoid leaks.
On the other hand gas can be carried in a plastic bottle and electricity is already available everywhere.
I don’t see any future where hydrogen car become mainstream.