What if he was just standing near someone who was a legitimate target. You know like the training officer. Or a particularly offensive piece of foliage. Something like that.
My classmate got killed by Ukraine like this. My colleague was killed by a Russian drone. I know that people like to laugh and this is a soulless trashcan of the internet but you should know that you’ve touched something in me and I hate you.
My classmate got killed by Ukraine like this. My colleague was killed by a Russian drone. I know that people like to laugh and this is a soulless trashcan of the internet but you should know that you’ve touched something in me and I hate you.
Wait, you have a classmate that was in the russian invasion and killed by Ukraine? And then another colleague killed by russia? Assuming that they where fighting russia at the time, or where they just collateral?
No one here (that I know of) is belittling the loss of life this stupid conflict has caused, but other then be angry at russia for invading another nation what are you expecting? Silence over the deaths?
you have a classmate that was in the russian invasion and killed by Ukraine?
He’s a civilian doctor who went to work in the “new territories” (occupied ones) . Not the best decisions of his, but still he wasn’t a combatant. Propaganda loves to paint people in colors, I don’t expect you to understand.
Assuming that they where fighting russia at the time, or where they just collateral?
The colleague was a girl I started to work with just after I left Russia. She went to Lvov (Lviv) to visit parents but then decided to Kiev. Again, not the best decision of her, but this one I expect you to understand.
I’m not trying to change things here. I know this is a shithole, but then I just have an urge to show that this kind of jokes (haha collateral damage) feel different when you are Russian even 4 years into the conflict, worse with Ukrainians.
Sorry for loss. War is really worse then hell because it takes the innocent as well. Putin and war mongers like him that caused her undeserved death deserve a more of punishment then this earthly world can give him imho
“People I know were involved in an illegal war, supported by no one, and chose to engage in it and I’m upset they were killed as a result of participation in a illegal war”
I’m sure the innocent people in Ukraine murdered by your country are just as upset. Except they didn’t do anything but get bombed by you.
TBH I get along with Ukrainians much better than with so called “Ukraine supporters”.
Like really, I remember having a job interview with a person in Kiev and him joking about “mopeds” (drones in 2023) have been interrupting the whole interview process.
Almost like life in war becomes accustomed. I believe no one should have to get used to war.
Maybe that’s the difference between us. You’re fine with innocent people getting killed in illegal wars. I’m not. Innocent people shouldn’t be killed in ANY war. According to you innocent people dying is A-Okay.
That’s probably why you don’t get along with Anti-War activists… They don’t agree with you that innocent people dying in war is okay.
People I know were involved in an illegal war, supported by no one, and chose to engage in it and I’m upset they were killed as a result of participation in a illegal war
That’s a strange way to put it. The person I was talking about was a civilian and you’re turning it as if he was a soldier.
No, he tried to profit from the war, like everyone else. Does it make him a bad person? Probably. Does it make his murder justified? Barely
What a shitty fucking anti-human stance you believe in. In the USA (Where I am not from) they don’t have healthcare. So when an 8 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer people make Go Fund Me accounts, sell their belonings, and try and go into massive debt to fund the cancer treatment. And this is heavily leaned into a “Feel good story”. “Neighbours come together to raise $30,000 for 8 year old with cancer” is such a dystopian headline when that cancer coverage should be fucking free.
But you show up here, on Lemmy of all places, and think civilians trying to not get killed my unmanned drones are a feel good story because they’re making the best of a bad situation, when they shouldn’t be in that bad situation in the first place if you and people like you weren’t stoking off Russia and being okay with civilians being killed.
I have no idea what your problem is. I didn’t start the war (obviously), I don’t think it should be continuing, I don’t revel in anyone’s death on either side, and I have nothing to do with your friends death.
What exactly is it that you’re upset with me about?
War sucks, and I don’t know where you’re from, but ideally it should stop so fewer people have to die like this. However, if your classmate was that close to a legitimate target, I’m assuming they’re aiding Russia too, even if that’s just working at an oil port or something.
They didn’t need to die, but everyone in Russia who’s not pushing back against this invasion is culpable in the death. If this is you, I hope you’re making noise at least to make them stop invading another country.
“legitimate target” is a dog whistle for commiting a war crime. You are describing one.
Please wake up. You’re filled with propaganda just as my folks who initially supported the war. Assuming you are not from Ukraine, I want to just recommend you stop watching war related content in social media. This thing poisons how you think and feel the world.
“legitimate target” is a dog whistle for commiting a war crime. You are describing one.
What? Do you live in a world where there aren’t legitimate targets? A legitimate target is, for example, and piece of military hardware. Something that isn’t is, for example, a water treatment facility.
Please wake up. You’re filled with propaganda just as my folks who initially supported the war. Assuming you are not from Ukraine, I want to just recommend you stop watching war related content in social media. This thing poisons how you think and feel the world.
So should Russia just be allowed to have it? No. Fuck off. I don’t vibe with appeasement. It didn’t work with Nazi Germany before WWII and it won’t work for Russia. If they get Ukraine then they’ll keep going. They’ve already threatened other nearby countries.
If you don’t like the war, tell the invader to stop fucking invading. Don’t tell the defender to stop defending their home. Your friend died because people like you exist. It’s your fault and their blood is on your hands, as is every other Russian who has died just to sate Putin’s appitate for building a legacy. He doesn’t give a shit about you, and this invasion only hurts you. Grow up.
I only hope that one day you’ll stop justifying war crimes. I understand that it is easy for you to say, sitting somewhere in the US and chanting things like that, but man it is sick. You act like a football fan.
Again, what do you want them to do? Should Russia be allowed to just have it? Russia is literally bombing civilian housing, which Ukraine isn’t doing. They’re the invader. Letting them have their way supports war crimes because it shows they are beneficial.
If Nazi Germany was stopped when they first started invading other nations, we probably wouldn’t have had WWII. The same can be said here. Hell, they should have been stopped after the first invasion of Crimea, or even Chechnya, or maybe Georgia, especially after the genocide.
I’m against war crimes. That’s why I’m against nations invading other sovereign states. I hope one day you’ll stop justyfing them by siding with invaders while your countrymen are slaughtered. Ukraine stopping fighting back doesn’t stop war crimes. It only gives Russia what they want and then they’ll continue to commit war crimes somewhere else (assuming they don’t commit another genocide right there too). If you’re against war crimes, you stand against invaders.
You are not in the position of deciding it. You’re just arguing on the internet.
No shit dude. You’re telling me not to do this. Give me your reason. Do you just not want to tell me what you want for some reason? You’re saying that I must stop voicing my support for the defenders of an invasion, and you must have a reason for that.
If you are against war crimes, you don’t argue about when they are justified, but most importantly you do not commit them. Simple as that.
Yeah, and Ukraine isn’t really committing many, if any. It’s inevitable that some war crime adjacent things happen in any war, but most of what makes it a crime is intent. For example, if a drone is shot down or jammed and crashes into civilian infrastructure, that’s not a war crime because it wasn’t intentional. Russia is literally sending drones to bomb apartments in Ukraine. That’s a war crime.
I want Ukraine to defeat Russia to show that committing war crimes and invading other nations is not beneficial. I want pieces of shit like you, who use their friends deaths as a cudgel to argue against Ukraine support to suffer. Your friends probably didn’t intend to die, assuming they’re real, so you can argue in favor of supporting daddy Putin’s legacy building. They probably didn’t want to be fodder for some dying weak old man’s prestige. This is what you make of them though. That’s how much you value them. If you really cared about them you’d try to stop the invaders so people can stop dying for the sake of a man who doesn’t care if you exist.
I’m sorry on their behalf. Thank you for providing a viewpoint of someone who’s affected by this; we all need to keep in mind that war is not a good thing.
What if he was just standing near someone who was a legitimate target. You know like the training officer. Or a particularly offensive piece of foliage. Something like that.
That definitely looks like an invasive species of flora he’s standing near…
Would be doing them a favor, really.
My classmate got killed by Ukraine like this. My colleague was killed by a Russian drone. I know that people like to laugh and this is a soulless trashcan of the internet but you should know that you’ve touched something in me and I hate you.
Wait, you have a classmate that was in the russian invasion and killed by Ukraine? And then another colleague killed by russia? Assuming that they where fighting russia at the time, or where they just collateral?
No one here (that I know of) is belittling the loss of life this stupid conflict has caused, but other then be angry at russia for invading another nation what are you expecting? Silence over the deaths?
He’s a civilian doctor who went to work in the “new territories” (occupied ones) . Not the best decisions of his, but still he wasn’t a combatant. Propaganda loves to paint people in colors, I don’t expect you to understand.
The colleague was a girl I started to work with just after I left Russia. She went to Lvov (Lviv) to visit parents but then decided to Kiev. Again, not the best decision of her, but this one I expect you to understand.
I’m not trying to change things here. I know this is a shithole, but then I just have an urge to show that this kind of jokes (haha collateral damage) feel different when you are Russian even 4 years into the conflict, worse with Ukrainians.
Sorry for loss. War is really worse then hell because it takes the innocent as well. Putin and war mongers like him that caused her undeserved death deserve a more of punishment then this earthly world can give him imho
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I don’t see how it’s supposed to be my fault that Russia started a war.
It’s not your fault. Your fault is ignorance that is cured with experiencing a war at close.
“People I know were involved in an illegal war, supported by no one, and chose to engage in it and I’m upset they were killed as a result of participation in a illegal war”
I’m sure the innocent people in Ukraine murdered by your country are just as upset. Except they didn’t do anything but get bombed by you.
TBH I get along with Ukrainians much better than with so called “Ukraine supporters”.
Like really, I remember having a job interview with a person in Kiev and him joking about “mopeds” (drones in 2023) have been interrupting the whole interview process.
Almost like life in war becomes accustomed. I believe no one should have to get used to war.
Maybe that’s the difference between us. You’re fine with innocent people getting killed in illegal wars. I’m not. Innocent people shouldn’t be killed in ANY war. According to you innocent people dying is A-Okay.
That’s probably why you don’t get along with Anti-War activists… They don’t agree with you that innocent people dying in war is okay.
That’s a strange way to put it. The person I was talking about was a civilian and you’re turning it as if he was a soldier.
No, he tried to profit from the war, like everyone else. Does it make him a bad person? Probably. Does it make his murder justified? Barely
What a shitty fucking anti-human stance you believe in. In the USA (Where I am not from) they don’t have healthcare. So when an 8 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer people make Go Fund Me accounts, sell their belonings, and try and go into massive debt to fund the cancer treatment. And this is heavily leaned into a “Feel good story”. “Neighbours come together to raise $30,000 for 8 year old with cancer” is such a dystopian headline when that cancer coverage should be fucking free.
But you show up here, on Lemmy of all places, and think civilians trying to not get killed my unmanned drones are a feel good story because they’re making the best of a bad situation, when they shouldn’t be in that bad situation in the first place if you and people like you weren’t stoking off Russia and being okay with civilians being killed.
I’m gonna just straight up say it.
You’re a piece of shit human being.
I have no idea what your problem is. I didn’t start the war (obviously), I don’t think it should be continuing, I don’t revel in anyone’s death on either side, and I have nothing to do with your friends death.
What exactly is it that you’re upset with me about?
War sucks, and I don’t know where you’re from, but ideally it should stop so fewer people have to die like this. However, if your classmate was that close to a legitimate target, I’m assuming they’re aiding Russia too, even if that’s just working at an oil port or something.
They didn’t need to die, but everyone in Russia who’s not pushing back against this invasion is culpable in the death. If this is you, I hope you’re making noise at least to make them stop invading another country.
At this point, I just want to say two things
“legitimate target” is a dog whistle for commiting a war crime. You are describing one.
Please wake up. You’re filled with propaganda just as my folks who initially supported the war. Assuming you are not from Ukraine, I want to just recommend you stop watching war related content in social media. This thing poisons how you think and feel the world.
What? Do you live in a world where there aren’t legitimate targets? A legitimate target is, for example, and piece of military hardware. Something that isn’t is, for example, a water treatment facility.
So should Russia just be allowed to have it? No. Fuck off. I don’t vibe with appeasement. It didn’t work with Nazi Germany before WWII and it won’t work for Russia. If they get Ukraine then they’ll keep going. They’ve already threatened other nearby countries.
If you don’t like the war, tell the invader to stop fucking invading. Don’t tell the defender to stop defending their home. Your friend died because people like you exist. It’s your fault and their blood is on your hands, as is every other Russian who has died just to sate Putin’s appitate for building a legacy. He doesn’t give a shit about you, and this invasion only hurts you. Grow up.
Hey bud,
I only hope that one day you’ll stop justifying war crimes. I understand that it is easy for you to say, sitting somewhere in the US and chanting things like that, but man it is sick. You act like a football fan.
Again, what do you want them to do? Should Russia be allowed to just have it? Russia is literally bombing civilian housing, which Ukraine isn’t doing. They’re the invader. Letting them have their way supports war crimes because it shows they are beneficial.
If Nazi Germany was stopped when they first started invading other nations, we probably wouldn’t have had WWII. The same can be said here. Hell, they should have been stopped after the first invasion of Crimea, or even Chechnya, or maybe Georgia, especially after the genocide.
I’m against war crimes. That’s why I’m against nations invading other sovereign states. I hope one day you’ll stop justyfing them by siding with invaders while your countrymen are slaughtered. Ukraine stopping fighting back doesn’t stop war crimes. It only gives Russia what they want and then they’ll continue to commit war crimes somewhere else (assuming they don’t commit another genocide right there too). If you’re against war crimes, you stand against invaders.
That’s absolutely his stance. He feels like Russia should own and occupy Ukraine.
And he says we’re filled with propaganda.
No, it is not
You are not in the position of deciding it. You’re just arguing on the internet.
If you are against war crimes, you don’t argue about when they are justified, but most importantly you do not commit them. Simple as that.
No shit dude. You’re telling me not to do this. Give me your reason. Do you just not want to tell me what you want for some reason? You’re saying that I must stop voicing my support for the defenders of an invasion, and you must have a reason for that.
Yeah, and Ukraine isn’t really committing many, if any. It’s inevitable that some war crime adjacent things happen in any war, but most of what makes it a crime is intent. For example, if a drone is shot down or jammed and crashes into civilian infrastructure, that’s not a war crime because it wasn’t intentional. Russia is literally sending drones to bomb apartments in Ukraine. That’s a war crime.
I want Ukraine to defeat Russia to show that committing war crimes and invading other nations is not beneficial. I want pieces of shit like you, who use their friends deaths as a cudgel to argue against Ukraine support to suffer. Your friends probably didn’t intend to die, assuming they’re real, so you can argue in favor of supporting daddy Putin’s legacy building. They probably didn’t want to be fodder for some dying weak old man’s prestige. This is what you make of them though. That’s how much you value them. If you really cared about them you’d try to stop the invaders so people can stop dying for the sake of a man who doesn’t care if you exist.
I’m sorry on their behalf. Thank you for providing a viewpoint of someone who’s affected by this; we all need to keep in mind that war is not a good thing.
Not that anyone was actually cleaning otherwise of course.
Do you really need a reminder of that though?
Uhhhh there is nothing worse in defensive foliage!
I’ll allow it. Carry on.