Who the hell asks for a cable as a flex?
Who the hell has such an inferiority complex that they think someone asking for an iphone cable is a flex?
There are people who based their entire personality on their Apple products, and I’m not even exaggerated.
On my social media’s feed the other day, someone posted “I’m literally crying during the apple event, I felt disrespected by apple and the new iphone”.
I was like “wtf does that even mean, dude.”
yeah that’s a cult lol
I once stubled across a girl on tinder who wouldn’t date anyone who doesn’t have an iphone.
I’m sure there’s plenty of stupid on tinder, an iphone is a lousy metric. Used ones can be had for far cheaper than the mistake of wasting money trying to date someone like that.
Me too, but it was because I couldn’t use FaceTime.
Thank apple for locking that down. There’s also Matrix as well that is actually cross platform and has video chats.
For me as an iPhone user, its more like an embarrassment to ask for a lightning cable.
I feel the same…because I feel dumb for having not thought to bring my own or adequately charge my phone. If anything else, I’m probably irritated too because of the proprietary cable means I can’t just use any old USB-C, or micro/mini usb that are so ubiquitous.
There are areas in the world where the overpriced iPhone costs more then a persons income for 2 - 3 months or even more. Owning such a device is a matter of status and overcoming low self esteem by association with a famous brand.
In short: a lot of people.
Literally it’s just wealth peacocking and classism, that’s it… people who are proud of owning an iphone are gross
There is more expensive and nicer built iPhones if you really care about blowing money, it’s all so stupid.
Also… Who cares? It’s 2023 all phones pretty much do the same shit.
My chat is shown in a different color on their device
With worse contrast
Sounds like an iPhone problem to me, im sure the average iPhone owner will agree (lol)
On android you can change not only the bubble color, but the bubble color for each contact individually, and you can even change the entire messaging app itself to a new one. Takes care of that problem right quick.
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They seem to have gone out of fashion, but back when I was rocking a HTC Desire I remember seeing people with iphone cases that had a hole in the back so you could see the logo when they were talking on them…
My ignorant understanding was that iphone made that a requirement for their cases
Like even for 3rd party cases? I guess I’d believe that, but hadn’t heard that before.
Those cases are still around.
Just as gross as people who are proud of not owning an iPhone. It’s a fucking phone, if it’s part of your identity you’re a dork.
Agree, but I see this kind of behavior out of Apple users way more than I see it from Android users.
Not in this thread
honestly, what with all the additional anti privacy and DRM shit google have been adding to phones lately, I’ve been getting less and less enamoured with Android phones. Sure I can sideload, but I can’t install root level apps without jumpling over a number of hoops just to stop other apps from failing Safety net.
I miss the time where all you had to do is install the su binary, then you can do what you want without fear of borking shit.
My current phone has some weird instability issues with Magisk - I can’t install AdAway and systemless hosts or LSPosed in zygisk because for some reason, the moment I try it, it causes the phone to randomly freeze up, which to fix requires a reboot. I missed many alarms due to that happening in the middle of the night while I was asleep. (Which while those modules were installed, would happen almost every night) it’s a pixel 3a, with stock ROM. The only module I have currently installed is Universal Safetynet Fix, which for some reason, only half works (passes basic attestation, but not the CTS profile matching)
other apps from failing Safety net.
Be sure to leave those apps negative reviews.
I have always had an Android phone, while my wife has had iPhones. Whenever one of the kids got old enough to get their own phone, they inherited hers and gave her an excuse to get a new iPhone. (Meanwhile I just traded mine in.)
The unintentional result is that she can never find a charging cable or block for her phone because the kids keep taking them (and inevitably somehow breaking them), while I have a surplus of ways to charge my own. And also the kids’ batteries are always low, because they can’t figure out how to ration screen use with an old-ass worn out battery.
So everyone else in the house is always squabbling about who took the charger, while I rarely see my phone dip below 50%. They hate it SO MUCH when I point this out. I swear I try not to smirk when I do.
Good news! With the next generation iPhone, your cables are no longer safe.
D’oh!
I went to visit my in-laws one winter and my Samsung charging block turned up missing. I’m the only non-Apple phone in the family. I’d be mad, but I’m sure someone needed it more than me.
I guess this is based on the idea that iPhones are expensive or exclusive? Or rather, some people think that iPhone owners think they’re elite for having what is actually the most common phone in the US? They haven’t been the most expensive phones on the market for at least 7 years.
Never underestimate the power of Apple’s marketing department.
Conversely, this is also because of Android owners with a chip on their shoulder taking everything as if it’s some affront to them.
I’ve got a friend who always shows up with a phone at 5% and asks to borrow an iPhone charger. She’s not flexing, she’s just always on her phone and direct charge it.
Note to phone users of all makes, I really couldn’t give a fuck what colour your chat bubble is.
If you have a bit of technical know-how you can set up a BlueBubbles server to get iMessage on android.
Interesting. Never heard of that thanks. https://bluebubbles.app/
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I think that’s the real reason. It’s been 10 years since I saw anyone think they’re special because they have an iPhone but still run into this concept that iPhone users think they’re elite. Perhaps that’s true for some tiny percentage of apple fanatics, but for the average person, it’s just the phone they prefer or the phone they have.
I’ve been to bars and begged them humbly to help me charge my phone and never once have I thought “IPHONE, yeah! You heard me!”
The elitism is also alive whenever someone refers to their phone as an iphone.
They are purposely spelling out the brand of their phone, as if that matters somehow.
You got the same with Samsung users. They refer to their phone as a Samsung.
It is a phone, or a smartphone. Giving free advertisement to a giant corporation will not grant you anything other than the contempt of those around you as it makes someone seem like a douche.
Same with ipads, call them tablets.
Talking with younger family members, the iPhone elitism mentally is still alive and well in middle/high school. There’s a very good chance you simply aged out of of where people give a shit
I was already over 25 when the first iPhone was released, so maybe. I have heard about anti-“green bubble” discrimination. I guess I had a couple girlfriends in the past few years who thought it was lame that I had an Android phone at the time, but I don’t know what their reasons were. I mean, it was a Galaxy S9, pretty nice phone, so it’s not like I looked poor or something.
Lightning might’ve been somewhat better by itself for the years before USB C became ubiquitous (because it was doing some of what USB C is doing) - but even then it was Lightning (Apple only) versus Micro USB (practically any other phone). The EU forcing Apple to adopt USB C is a good thing for everyone (except Apple themselves probably - because they’ll sell fewer special cables).
The EU forcing Apple to adopt USB C is a good thing for everyone
Apple adopting USB-C is good for everyone. But I’m skeptical that the “EU forcing them” aspect is. It basically means we’ll never see a new interconnect standard for phones evolve beyond USB-C. If someone found a way to improve the durability of hybrid fiber+copper cabling, it would face immense artificial barriers to adoption.
Imagine if this decision had been made a decade ago, and micro-USB became the EU standard. Would we even have USB-C today?
Always think this argument is weird. The bill has a line about replacing the USB-C standered with a new one in the future, and the port can handle at least 80Gbps.
Well sure. But what u r saying is under the assumption that laws cannot be changed. Right now, the best and most widely adopted standard (by a very large margin) is USB-C.
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A new, wired standard: While this possibility exists, the probability of this happening is extremely low. USB-C solves all problems that a port can solve. The chances of new wired tech evolving beyond this are close to none.
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A wireless standard: This could be the most probable replacement in the future. However, looking at the state of this tech right now, it still has a very long time to become usable in consumer tech. When this happens, the laws would be changed to keep up with the times.
But what u r saying is under the assumption that laws cannot be changed.
Tend not to change. The parliament will move on and forget about the issue. It’s not gonna revisit this decision every 6 months.
This is why the whole medical field in the US still uses fax machines on a regular basis. It was encoded in legislation and then never removed.
USB-C solves all problems that a port can solve.
Tell me you’re under 25 without telling me you’re under 25. This has been said many times before. USB-C is frankly a bit of a mess (I mean, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.2 Gen 2…)
There were ideas about using USB-C for power & networking in houses, replacing most of your wiring with USB cabling. That didn’t pan out. You can only use USB-C to drive a 4k display over relatively short distances. It’s often flaky. There are things that could be fixed with USB-D or whatever. This adds an obstacle to that goal.
Your complaints don’t seem to be about the connector, but instead the USB 3 specification. USB 4 seems to address your concerns and mandates the type-c connector.
the assumption laws cannot be changed
Laws can be changed but it’s extremely challenging to do so. Any new competing standard is going to inevitably be driven by one company that stands to gain the most from it. And no lawmaker is going to expand the law to allow USB-C or this new interconnect without a huge amount of “lobbying” by that company.
Laws like this are why you can’t buy a plane ticket with your real name if your first name is “Mran” (FAA mandated protocols interpret it as “Mr. An”) and why digital check images are still sent using one of the most inefficient image formats in existence (some idiotic lawmaker decided it would be a good idea to make sure the images could be “digitally shred”). When technical standards are enshrined in law, they tend to stay that way forever.
USB-C solves all problems that a port can solve
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or are really just that naive. I’ve heard people say the same thing about USB-A, mini-USB, micro-USB, firewire, DVI, mDP, and HDMI. And look where we are now.
A wireless standard
The law doesn’t impede wireless advancements. It just says that if it has a port, it must be USB-C.
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Laws and regulations being slow to change is a problem, true. However, this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t make laws and regulations. Your criticisms should be directed at the slowness of the system and propose ways on how to improve its speed. Scrapping the entire system “cuz it is slow” is kinda dumb.
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About USB C being the best wired standard out there, I was not sarcastic. People have said many things. I did not say that USB A/HDMI blah blah blah are the best standards. I said the USB-C is the best wired standard that we’ve got. If u believe that there is a better standard in picture, could you please point it out?
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I was not aware that the EU regulations do not involve wireless standards. Which proves my point even further. This law is the EU recognising that the best wired standard of today and the next decade at least is USB-C. Again, if u believe that there is an emerging standard better than USB-C, please drop a link to it. The EU recognizes that we haven’t hit a limit in the wireless standard innovation. Hence, they haven’t imposed these laws on them.
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That’s not really how it works. If someone can evolve the standard he’s totally free to do it and nobody would object. Standards are by definition collaborative, they can be evolved.
I think the matter was around forcing a proprietary cable, which was also worse and expensive
I remember when they switched from 30 pin to lightning when I was in highschool. It was the best time to be a little shit, whenever someone asked if you had an iphone charger you could ask what kind they need and then say you have neither.
Constantly having to charge your phone…not really a flex.
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Dumbest “meme” I’ve ever seen. Asking to borrow a cable has never been a flex in any way, whatsoever. The fact that this many people have even commented on this means you need to do something with ur lives. Let’s try not to make Lemmy into Reddit, peeps.
How is being a cableless beggar a flex?
They will also soon be forced to allow app sideloading. This might be huge and the only way I’d consider an iPhone
YouTube ReVanced and Gecko Firefox UBlockO would be the only way I consider an iPhone. And emulator support. This isn’t negotiable.
iOS had uYou+ which has more features than vanced. Notably, I can disable the god awful pinch to zoom feature and the snap to time stamp feature. I cant find those features on ReVanced.
It’s irritating to refresh the apps manually every week and the other way would be to get an Apple Developer ID!
I was so lucky to get an iPad on the very last (at the time) somewhat jailbreakable version, 15.4.1, I never had to refresh apps at all. Never updated it.
Unfortunately after I got an older MacBook Pro for cheap, I didn’t have a use for the iPad and it didn’t fit into my life anymore, so I sold it to my sister, who immediately updated it to iOS 16.x. I nearly died inside when I saw it updating.
iPhones are great for one reason and one reason only: they have a great app ecosystem. Most Android apps are really shit. I know there are great exceptions out there, but it’s rare.
It’s weird how the EU is forcing Apple to make better products, since tbh the combination of better apps on the app store, and being able to sideload your own from anywhere kind of makes the iphone a no brainer.
Wait all the time iPhone users have been flexing?
Flexing their cables 'til they fray and tear, yes
That ended about 8 years ago. Sure was bullshit at the time, though.
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While the lightning cable was ahead of its time when it came out, mostly because the USB consortium couldn’t get its shit together, nowadays it’s woefully inferior.
Having said that, Apple has still managed to fuck their customers over by making so that only their overpriced “high speed” USB-C cables can work at anything better than USB 2.0 standard.
I doubt that 3rd parties won’t try to circumvent Apple’s BS, but goes to show even the EU couldn’t make Apple drop the act entirely.
Edit: And that’s not even talking about the wildly expensive lightning to USB-C converter they’re selling to anybody desperate enough to hold onto their lightning cables
The USB consortium still doesn’t have their shit together, USBC is a garbage standard.
Open a drawer of random USBC cables and tell me which ones support which features, or even which features exist. It’s one connector and a half dozen different standards that support different speeds, data types, power amounts, display support, etc. It’s a nightmare to debug and shop for, and every devices you buy has a different random cable.
The only USBC standard thats good is Thunderbolt because it is always clear what it supports, but Intel owns that standard.
I’m not against phones being USBC, I’m against the stupid standard. Is incredibly annoying and confusing when I ask you for a cable and you give me one that doesn’t support fast charging (USB PD), or one that has usb 2.0 transfer speeds, or doesn’t support “alt mode” to work with my computer monitor.
Thankfully, they recently introduced logo requirements for this exact reason.
In order to pass through the USB-IF Compliance Program, all USB-C® to USB-C cables categories must be labelled with either a power capability of 60W or 240W by using the appropriate power icon and/or logo. The USB-IF now requires that all cables must be labeled with the 60W or 240W logo prior to compliance testing so that testing can confirm the intended display of such icons/logos. The policy now extends to all USB-C to USB-C cables. These markings must be checked before compliance testing can begin.
In addition to the power markings, in order to pass through the USB-IF Compliance Program, all cables except for High-Speed USB (USB 2.0) USB-C to USB-C cables, are required to be marked with the appropriate data rate they can support. An example, a USB 20Gbps USB-C – USB-C cable that supports 20V at 3A must be marked with the Combined Performance and Power 20Gbps/60W logo.
The logo is useful for data transfer, but for power delivery you can usually find the outputs on the adapter. For example, my 65W USB-C charging cable supports 3A at 5V/9V/15V and 3.25A at 20V. It’s not very consumer friendly, sure, but at least it’s simple (higher is “better”).
Hopefully that improves things, and the logos are not weird and arcane like I half expected.
As if 99% of cables aren’t bought at dollar stores and gas stations to charge phones for 2 weeks before being lost or damaged. And none of them bother with USB logos.
All I really care about it the durability of the phone port, and usb c looks far more inherently fragile than lightning. 1/4 of the USB Cs on my MacBook Pro have issues, and my phone gets plugged and unplugged far more often, and only has one port.
I feel the same way about durability but apparently usb-c is rated to 10,000 insertions. Idk though. The lightning port has been very solid in regular use but I can’t say the same about the usb-c ports I’ve known.
Eventually wireless charging will be the standard so it might not matter as much for phones.
I’d be curious to see how many of those cables without logos are actually USB certified as opposed to being compatible with the spec.
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2
A group of people thought that was a good name for the protocol. And as you were saying, with no marking to indicate the cable is compatible.
As if PCIe 4.0 x4 is much better. You’re looking at the technical documentation here.
Besides that, there are supposed to be markings on the cable. If there aren’t, you’ve bought a shit cable. You’re looking for these logoz on the cable:
Ignore the spec name, obviously, that’s not directed at consumers. You’re also looking for this logo on a charger:
If these logos aren’t present on the packaging or on the products themselves, look for something better.
As for device support: any Android device with Play Services must support the USB power delivery. iPhones and other Apple products with USB C support fast charging. You’re only really left guessing with laptops, and even those come with a little icon to indicate which ports support charging these days.
People choose to get hung up on the weird naming schemes USB comes up with, but unless you’re designing a device those protocol names mean nothing to you. Stick with the customer facing logos.
I usually flex my cables a bit to figure out their types, if it’s stiff enough, chance that it supports PD. The only way to be sure is to plug it in though and pray the cable is not shitty enough to ruin your device.
Apple has still managed to fuck their customers over by making so that only their overpriced “high-speed” USB-C cables can work at anything better than USB 2.0 standard.
Not true. Be mad at Apple for legitimate things please, but manufacturing outrage is just silly and undermines actually shitty things they do. Apple has not nerfed their USB-C cables in any way.
One thing they have done is limit the USB-C PD charging speed in phones to not exceed 20W, which I imagine has more to do with long-term battery life than it does with upselling you, because there’s nothing for them to upsell to you there.
Regarding the adapter, don’t buy it if you don’t need it. As it turns out, many lightning accessories have been sold over the last 11 years. Chances are, someone out there will be happy buying an adapter before buying a new accessory.
Ah, so Apple definitely wouldn’t sell you a 60W USB-C Charge Cable while limiting other cables to 20W?
Nor would Apple ever dream of selling you a cable capable of delivering up to 240W for their phones?
I’m not suggesting that Apple is nerfing their USB-C cables. What I’m telling you is that they’re nerfing their competitor’s cables compatability in order to sell you a solution you wouldn’t need if they weren’t such dicks.
Also, I apologise. The USB 2.0 speed fuckery only applies to the pro series Iphones… the normal series ones are limited to USB 2.0 no matter what cable you use.
As for that lightning adaptor, even if you did need it I wouldn’t recommend buying that one, unless you’re desperate to give Apple even more profits. There are smaller form factor, significantly cheaper converters out there that will do the job just fine.
Bruh, those are for charging MACBOOKS. You can plug an iphone into that 240w charger all you want, it’s NOT going to use more than the 20w it’s allowed to. Period.
I hate Apple too, but you’re just ignorant.
You’re misunderstanding entirely and are blinded by the emotional reaction of what you assume Apple to be doing.
iPhones do NOT exceed a charging rate for 20W, so using a 60W cable isn’t going to do shit. You’re upset because they’re selling USB-C cables capable of charging beyond that number so you assume they’re upselling iPhone owners rather than simply making cables rated to charge their laptops which also have USB-C. Honestly it sounds like you’re angrier at the clusterfuck that is USB-C spec than you are at anything apples done.
How dare they make charging cables for your laptop, right? And how dare your iPhone be limited to charge slower than a laptop. /s
What competitor usb-c cables are being nerfed by Apple? Where are you getting this information? I heard lots of rumors about this prior to the keynote this week, but so far there’s no evidence of this happening. Are you still outraged over a rumor?
The non-pro phones are limited to USB 2 speeds for several reasons:
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They’re re-using parts from the iPhone 14 Pro, which had lightning, which was USB2.
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Most people do not transfer data to/from their phones using a cable anymore. Those that do are usually pros moving large files, and should be getting an iPhone pro for that workload.
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most people who fall into the tiny camp of transferring data to/from their phones with a cable and aren’t pros aren’t transferring large enough files for it to matter much anyway.
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non-pro iPhones will probably be brought up to USB 3 speeds in the next year or two, at which point you’re going to have to find something else to be outraged about.
Nobody is being forced to buy an adapter, why are you still so upset at its existence?
Hadn’t I been on Lemmy I wouldn’t have known there are people still using cables to transfer stuff from/to their phone.
Haven’t done that in 10 years, and deeply hope I’ll never have to start doing that again either.
This year it makes sense on the pros, if you take a lot of video because the port can do USB3 speeds, meaning you can now record to an external SSD.
Beyond that I don’t see much of a reason to. Maybe in a pinch to download something to your phone then move to a flash drive when you don’t have another computer around? Either way it’s awesome we at least get it in the pros.
@ribboo I think most people nowadays use cables for charging to be fair, lol. I doubt anyone still bothers connecting a cable to a PC, browse a filesystem only to find their vacation photos or whatever. Most just hit share, select the app they want to share them all through and off they go.
I use the USB-C Port of my phone regularly to connect it to my PC and move images from my Phone to my PC and copy music files from my PC to my phone’s Micro-SD card. I wouldn’t consider myself a “pro” in either of these fields, yet I have moved hundreds of Gigabytes of data this way. I also use my phone’s 3.5 millimeter audio port with headphones, IEMs or speakers all the time.
In general, I trust cables way more than I trust any wireless solutions.
I have a Micro-SD-Card slot, a 3.5 mil connector and a USB-C-Connector and I find all of those essential (would never buy a phone without one of these).
My phone is a Motorola Moto G31. Costs 170€. Served me well for over a year now, I’m hoping it will for some more years. It’s not particularly “fancy”, but it’s a good product that does everything I need it to. It even has a quite nice battery life :)
Now, to I-Phones. I think it would be fair for a 1000! Dollar Device to include USB3 Speeds. If the pro can do it, why can’t the non-pro?
First, the base model is $699, the pro is $999. Just to clear up as it sounds like you might have thought the $999 model was the base with USB2 speeds.
To answer your question shortly, it’s for the reasons above. You may not think you’re “a pro”, but moving hundreds of GBs of content by wire is absolutely a “pro” workflow. The more accurate term would be “prosumer”. Most people don’t do what you’re doing and don’t need to, therefore your use case would be better suited for professional hardware, rather than base model consumer hardware.
I fully expect the base model to get USB3 speeds over the next couple of years as usb-c on iPhones progresses. Apple does what a lot of manufacturers do, and bring their features from the previous flagship model to their lower end models over time. They also will often reuse parts in the base model from the previous year’s flagship. This is not exclusively an Apple thing. Strategically it’s a great way to funnel features and utilize premade hardware.
Other times Apple has done this:
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iPhone 5c (same internals as iPhone 5 with a bigger battery)
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all iPhone/ Apple Watch SE models (newer chipset in an older style enclosure)
Thanks for the response, I understand your points better now. I still think that 699$ is a lot of money for a device that doesn’t support USB3 speeds, but then again, that’s just “apple tax”. Which doesn’t mean I’m against the “feature-funneling” method you described, that definetely has a lot of advantages.
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I can’t believe you just linked laptop charging cables that use USB-C as “proof” Apple is upselling iPhone users hahahaha.
I’m curious, are you just mad because iPhones are listed as “compatible”? Because that’s literally a benefit of moving to USB-C. The cables are compatible because they use the same physical connector. Would you rather Apple arbitrarily restrict which USB-C cable of theirs your iPhone works with? Or are you mad your phone can’t charge as fast as your laptop?
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