So it is confirmed

And many scums on lemmy try to police anti genocide people and accuse anybody using the slogan fron the river to the sea palestine will be free as genociders

I suggest anti occupation and genocide people to not post content about Palestine in communities that allow zionists propaganda expending like this one

He is a troll

I didn’t make anything . I simply used basic deductive logic.

If you want to prove you are antigenocide answers the questions I asked in the other comment.

They never advocated for ethenic cleansing. You are the one who advocate for it since you prefer the solution where ethenic cleansing will happen. 700k settlers will be removed from the west bank and two millions arabs from Israel because they do not want any chance of arabs isralis one day overgrow the jewish israelis in israel

You avoid those questions because you are a hypocrite claiming to be against genocide and occupation while denying every single palestinian right

The only one who ignore hystorical context is you

The context is that the slogan means different thing to different people but you want to make anti genocide people bad and justify more autoritarian laws to be added

. You think you are smart with your fake neutrality.

Everybody history is public. There is no assumptions. All you do is to pretend to oppose occupation while only attacking anti occupation people.

I said I support the UN’s position, but that there’s a difference between stating what should be done and actually implementing it. If it wasn’t complex, the problem would already be solved. I never said we should do nothing and keep selling weapons to israel. Strawman.

Again I said the solution is complex but logical . You couldn’t give a single valid argument besides racism and antisemitism.

The UN position is unconditional ending of the occupation.

I said Hamas supports geocoding Israelis, and I also said Hamas holds de facto power in Gaza. Both of which are true statements. I’ve also said that I can discern between Hamas and Palestinians, which you apparently can’t, so by your own logic you’re the one who’s racist and you’re making accusations in a mirror.

I am the one who say that Palestinians and Israelis can live together at some point while I acknowledge it will take time and won’t be easy. You are the one who said they can’t live together so the racist and antisemite is you .

Can you answers those questions ?

Do you agree that the occupiers and occupied do not hold the same level of responsibility?

Do you support Palestinians right to return to israel if they want to in case it is the two state solution is the one they succeed?

Do you support Palestinians right to all the recognized Palestinians areas? Which is all Gaza, all the west bank and all east Jerusalem?

Does an independent Palestinian state has the right to an army to defend itself?

Did you vote for people who support unconditional end of settler colonialism done by Israel, support bans of all arms on Israel and sanctions on the state of Israel itself not just one or two ministers and 1 or 2 settler terrorists?

I didn’t say they can “never” coexist in peace

So why you are saying a one state is imposible?

I said the solution is more complex than simply throwing them into the same pot and saying “there, have democracy.”

And I said a million time that i agree it is complex . The problem is that you refuse solutions just because it is complex.

we’re done here. I hope so

You

I’m not even Australian, so I don’t know why you’re blaming me for what their government is doing. All I did was provide context for the slogan in question on the OP article. That doesn’t mean I support Israel.

So stop defending Australians hypocrisy about Palestine and condemn the country bringing a war criminals to the country. All you did was to provide propaganda talking points .

This inane campism where “any criticism of one side implies support for the other” is so worn-out. Do better.

I have problem with your lies and hypocristy

The fact that you think forcing hamas to surrender is as simple as simply having the UN vote on it and the West getting involved would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

I said a million time that it is not simple. Was is so laughtable and sad is that you pretend you want a solution but still we should simply keep selling weapons to israel and have good economical and diplomatical relation with them

Believing that two semetic populations can never be in peace is antisemetic and racist. Since you believe in that it makes zero difference if the solution is a one state or two state because even with a two state solution. Both side could still attack

All your bullshit was excuses used by pro apparteith in Sourh africa.

It is like saying that usa elections are rigged and not fair because lobbies and oligargh. Anyway Netenyahu is not an ultraorthodox and israel voted for that genocidal monster, israeli president is not either and said there is no innocent Gazans yet your trashy racist country still host him and you prefer to portray anti occupstion protesters as antisemite and pro genoice instead of condemning that visit

Their de facto power in Gaza is nearly absolute You just repeated what I said

The slogan in question in this post is about extending their hold to the rest of the land. It implies genociding Israelis.

Like explained in y other comment it is not

No fucking shit. And when they refuse? I already replied this in my other comment. They would be forced to surrender with PA backed western countries

If it were that simple, they would have already been rooted out.

I never said it is simple but when things are hard you makes more effort and not like you saying there is nothing we can do.

It may already rooted out if the political will was there but no all the western countries and in fact ever China and Russia that pretend to care about Palestinians are supporting effectively Israel while pretending not not .

Just because one side is committing genocide doesn’t excuse the other side’s genocidal intent. Genocide is wrong on both sides, and saying more power should be given to one genocidal organization because it’s currently the one losing is an asinine take.

You never called people to boycott Israel; you never asked your trashy country to stop supporting Israel with diplomatic cover; you keep voting for trashy politicians supporting the genocide. You are just a hypocrite, that’s all. Your country is hosting a war criminal who said there are no innocent Palestinians, and you have the audacity to claim that you oppose genocide and occupation; you do not; you are a hypocrite. All talk, no action.

The slogan in question in this post isn’t a Palestinian Authority slogan. It’s a slogan Hamas uses to advocate for ethnic cleansing. Stop deflecting.

The slogan in question is a call for a one-state solution with equal rights. Just because Hamas uses it with an ulterior motive does not mean nobody can use it. You are using the same rhetoric as authoritarian regimes; for example, Mali recently arrested an opponent for saying the words “by all means necessary.” There are people who, when they say that, really mean all means necessary including terrorism, but it is not enough to ban those words.

That’s the idea with the two-state solution favored by the UN, but having an idea and actually implementing it are two different things. It’s much more geopolitically complex than simply “the west should play kingmaker and then the PA can destroy Hamas.” Hamas is entrenched in the governance of Gaza, and they won’t hand over the reins to PA peacefully.

The UN has stated that Israel should unconditionally end the occupation. Your rhetoric is that it is too complex, so let’s do nothing except keep selling weapons to Israel and do business with them like usual. You are just a hypocrite who supports occupation and genocide.

You would have used the same excuse during apartheid South Africa. You would have talked about how the ANC wanted to exterminate white people because they committed some acts of terrorism, and you would have defended crushing anti-apartheid protests and been silent about your trashy country backing up the supremacist regime.

You think Hamas can survive with no popular support because the occupation would end and the whole West would back the PA with money and arms. Or are you one of those racists who think most Palestinians support genociding Israelis?

Strawman. “Anyone who doesn’t support hamas is a zionist.” Yawn.

Not true. I do not consider anybody who opposes Hamas a Zionist.

Anybody who says Zionists who came from Europe had the right to force a state on the local people which included Palestinian Jews and then ethnically cleansed them are themselves Zionists.

The two state solution is definitely not better. It would mean both side ethenic cleansing because of the whole world allowed isrsel to build colonies all over the west bank. Thinking that israeli and palestinians can never live together is racist and antisemitic

Hypocrites favourite words are strawman and whataboutism

There is an genocide in Gaza not Israel. Despite hamas genocide intent they have no power to do so and like I said in my other comment. A west backed PA would be in charge of destroying hamas in exchange of the end of occupation.

You don’t want that because you are a liar. You want israel to continue colonization

Hamas has no defacto power outside of Gaza. Pa had no power because of israel and the west support for israel.

Here what should happen. The west and the usa should stop siding with israel. Israel should have cuba style sanctions to force them to end the occupation of the west bank , hamas should be asked to surrender in exchange of ending the blockade. If hamas refuse , the west should provide the PA all it needs to to destroy Hamas.

Of course it is not easy but it is logical