Intel would be an example of a chipmaker that should fail but they won’t let it because it’s also an unofficial asset. It will literally never fail no matter how backward it gets and they have been backward for decades.

Do me a favor and practice what you preach.

The key is that you persist. I call it survival or I like to say, despite whatever is going on, “yet I still persist”. Finding new and different reasons to help you maintain this persistence are also very important. Stay here don’t leave. That’s it.

Made the right choice BTW, stay strong.

I don’t listen to or follow any of the sources on the chart, and I don’t like politics. That said, as a passerby I thought it was an interesting chart. One thing I thought about, the legacy media that is highly manipulated in my opinion is dominated by so-called left and the pseudo independent in my opinion voices in red on the chart are dominated by so-called right.

I believe most people no longer trust the legacy media and are turning to just about anything else as an alternative.

I think most people mistakenly think that some of these voices in red are independent of or not affected by persuasion, coercion, other. Some of these voices in red are also potentially literal government agents.

All that said, I also find it interesting that there are not more blue dots: pseudo independent so-called left voices.

Does this mean that the so-called left audience is captive to the legacy media? And/or does this mean that the so-called left audience does not trust independent voices?

I will check some of the comments to the original post to see if anybody has thoughts on that.

Anyways, thanks for your time.

Thank you, will check this out.

Thank you, perhaps it is the CMRR that I need to explore? Perhaps this explains the noise floor difference? Thank you.

Thank you, yes I specifically saw a breakdown in my sin wave at ~60 kHz on ua741, and NE5532 got to ~650 kHz before I saw distortion. I thought that was awesome. I will study the layouts as you suggested. Any other advice? Does this also explain the noise floor difference or no?

I will check this out, thank you for sharing.

Thank you very much for your advice, I will follow.

Awesome, yes can just do the chemical outside if volume is small and time is fast. I see there a number of how to, thank you for the inspiration, I will be trying this for sure.

Okay, I will also spend time here, please let me know any advice for newbies. Thank you for your consideration.

I am open to try this because it appeals to my sensibility. Do you have any advice to get started because I am interested and will try this if it is feasible in my garage environment? I am serious. What are the minimum materials needed/must-have requirements? I am down for this shit.

I have a laser jet printer, what kind of ventilation are we talking for the chemical? I have fume extractor on my soldering station,

Okay, I am going to spend time with this then, please let me know any advice for beginners. Thank you so much.

UPDATE 2: Beelink s12 still holding strong.

Got the following from Beelink customer service:

"Regarding the question you asked about the output power of the machine’s USB interface, the answer is 7.5W.

If you want to use external hard drives on the USB interface, it is suggested that do the following solution：

please uncheck the save energy in the device manager-- universal serial bus controller–USB hub-- properties–power management—uncheck “Allow the computer to turn off the device to save power”

As for the g3 usb/ssd issue, it’s case closed for now with root cause 5 W max per usb port.

As for this useage case: s12 > pi 5 >>> g3plus.

My opinion is that the Beelink gear is better than GMK based on my experience with s12 and s13 versus g3plus. The Beelink stuff has way better aesthetics and build quality in my opinion.

Hope this was enlightening, I learned a lot. Thank you. Peace.

UPDATE: s12 handles both ssd out of the box and reboot and continue to hold. Devices are superspeed 20 gb and ~900 ma. Setup is headless, there are no other peripherals. Will see if this holds.

Okay, so what does this point to, I plug the drives into different devices and they work. What would your next troubleshooting step be? I have a backup hub and cable, if that fails the same thing on the device what does that point to? Both ssds exhibit the same behaivior on g3 and work on other devices.

In fact I have not collected a single piece of evidence that implicated the drives other than they come unmount on g3.

So no, I don’t think so. Also there are various lines in dmesg -w that tell the story but I don’t have them to share with you and I am frankly done working with the g3 so I will not be going to collect them and bring them back.

So, sorry for saying there were no errors, but there were no smoking gun errors other than dmesg showing the drives behavior and lsblk and cockpit storage logs which helped me determine 100% and beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind that the problem is with the g3 and not the drives.

I am returning the g3 and keeping the drives. I am convinced and not swaying. Got it?

*If the ssd fails on s12, I promise to create a post solely focused on THAT issue and will provide full error logs for anyone interested and admit I was wrong but still just trying to learn.

**another approach: what errors would you expect to see if there was an issue with the usb bus providing power? What errors would you expect to see if there was an issue with the usb drives themselves? Then check those results gainst the fact there were no errors. What does that imply?

***maybe we are thinking the same thing: the issue IS with power and in this case the power comes from g3. I admit it is possible that the drives would work with a powered hub. I don’t have one. I am going to try to see if s12 will support these drives without a powered hub before I invest in one. From my point of view: the issue is with g3 because it’s not supporting the drives, but that might be the misconception that I will unlearn during this process of reeducation.

**** one more level deeper, if what justpassingby says is true and the GMK can only support 5 watts per usb port, what happens when the ssd device draws a current greater than 1 amp? What about when two do it atthe same time? That is what I believe is happening. The g3 looks to support 20 W / 4 on the usb ports based on justpassingby. The raspberry pi 5 does 45W / 6 peripheral ports and this is the reason why the pi 5 did not drop the ssd and G3plus did; for this application pi 5 >>> g3plus for that reason. The only info I can find on beelink s12 is 25W max and 5W idle, no idea what is allocated to the usb ports but WE WILL SOON SEE. The snag with pi 5 was with the os and python version not being consistent for HA (I believe). I am hoping for the result s12 > pi 5 >>> g3plus.

Thanks yes trying to power ssd direct from the usb port. This is likely a bad unit but there are broader implications here for using direct usb ssd on these devices due to power draw. I had no idea it would be a factor but it definitely warrants consideration in designing a setup. Thank you.

Noted, I definitely did not understand or appreciate that before but now I really know for sure, thank you.

Thank you kindly, there is no error message per se that is the smoking gun, I use dmesg -w, lsblk, and cockpit storage logs to troubleshoot and it comes down to the power draw in my estimate. The ssd simply unmount themselves, nothing dramatic. It is entirely possible that a powered hub would work with this g3 that I consider a lemon. Truthfully, the g3 “looks less nice” versus beelink and if they have 5W max per usb, I could see how they might disconnect with voltage spikes, but this thing never mounted one of the usb ssd on 3 of 4 ports. Right from the start, I am thinking the usb bus power connection is where the issue lies. It a lemon of a cheap unit.

I cannot find the info on s12 yet and somesaid in a different comment they had to email customer service to find out g3 had 5W max. Hoping s12 will reliable hold mount, but I can see where I still may need to invest in a powered hub. Thank you.