I’ve always cut this way, using a fork for a subtle curve, and it allows for 3 fairly equal bites, that feel like the right size for my mouth.

Yup.

You seem to think MAGAs act within the boundaries of the law… must be nice to be so innocent

In no universe could anything I said be reasonably summarized as this. Its actually pretty ridiculous this is the conclusion you came to.

First of, I have ever said people should not vote.

Because implications don’t exist right?

I am simply stating the fact that it will not be enough, not anymore.

Which just encourages people not to vote if you’re saying it doesnt help.

Second, you keep the “until that happens” as if that make any sense… You are the one moving the goal post here to justify inaction.

Im sorry bud, what actions are there exactly that you’re so willing to step up to take?

As far as I understand it, any action that I’m advocating for is apparently justifying inaction, but actions further than that would mean you couldn’t be talking to me right now.

You do not want to sacrifice anything to get your country out of the hole you allow it to get… and news flash, once the power grab is complete (you are 98% there) there will be no option left… every minute you allow to pass doing fuck all, is a minute you are closer to having NO OPTIONS LEFT

Once again, what are you doing buddy?

Yet your “strategy” here is to do nothing an wait 19 months to cast a ballot… where did I say it was one battle?

You really like to imply a shit ton from nothing so that you can argue against strawmen dont you.

Unfortunately, at this particular point in time, its also your death sentence, and they’re fine iwth that, because its not really their death sentence, whereas seeing where this is going it might literally be yours.

The question starts out with a strawman argument. The full comment included “All that time, youll need to replace the old guard with more progressive members through overwhelming support in primaries, and being active in state and local politics.”

There also aren’t many countries that have the same political situations as the USA. What other countries are democratic republics with extremely slow constitutional and political inertia, top class military and insane intelligence capabilities.

The question doesnt make sense. This is a one of one.

As humorous as this sounds, this is not at all how battery chemistries works.

Some chemistries just charge faster than others.

for the common types of Lion or Lipo batteries, they max out pushing 2C which is around 30 minutes.

For something like LTO, where you lose capacity/density, you can get that up to like 4C (very rough numbers here as this all depends on the temperature of the battery while charging, age and other factors).

So like… this could have been accurate if this was referring to switching to LTO, but afaik, no one makes LTO batteries in this form-factor (not that it can’t be done though).

Literally what part of that changes a single thing I’ve said here?

You have no solution.

You roll your eyes at the only one because its unpleasant.

we can’t know the alternative timeline where the democrats would have won; but if their past behaviour is any indication they would have acted over confident and let the republicans walk all over them as before

In what universe does this make any sense. The republicans wouldn’t have the political power to do that.

what we can do is look at the present and easily see that the fascist grab of power is basically complete and there is zero chance they will give up power

And until that happens, there is no point in try to get people not to participate.

I’m canadian but your are making my point, Americans are too gaslit, selfish and uninformed to even vote rationaly

And you only help that with your encouragement of voter apathy.

do you think the magas would be this enboldened if any republican had been accountable?

I’m not arguing against that, Im pointing out that its a constant fight, not one battle.

Nothing is just a distraction. They’re all just similarly evil parts of the plan, that they have fully documented, and that people just kinda keep ignoring.

Are you denying that if people had voted for the democrats just a few percent more this year project 2025 would not have been stopped, as trump likely would be dead when it came time for the next event?

If people stayed sharp, they would be kept down.

Of course the DNC could do more. The question is could you, the people, do any less to secure your democracy.

The DNC is far from perfect, but what they do is out of our control except in the ways I literally covered at the start of this chain.

I don’t get how people act like there should just be this sudden moment where once and for all fascists will disappear. It will and has always been a continuous fight.

I do not hope everyone starts talking like Mamdani tomorrow.

Mamdani talked for NYC and its problems. My hypothetical Mamdani would just be quick witted, and talk about active solutions for the people, but on the federal scale. I by no means think people would magically agree to everything Mamdani is talking about. It was about a shift in messaging to being about pragmatic change for the people. not fighting progressives within the party etc.

What won’t work is "let’s divide ourselves as progressives vs. establishment, pro vs tepid trans support, split every hair and make ourselves look like the weak navel-gazers they paint us as. Stop dithering about **who is “DNC” and who isn’t. **

Im not sure I follow that last part. The DNC is a very real organization with very real leaders and goals. Its not something that is disputed, its a factual, existing organization.

We need to identify and empower these people within the Democratic party, and that might mean putting side differences to build the big tent coalition we need.

Part of the problem, is that you need a draw, and if you can’t use hate, you have to use appealing to the common person with change. The idea that its about a bigger tent, is something that needs change within the DNC/Old gaurd too.

They don’t seem to want to accept the progressive elements, and Im not talking about the people online who say nonsense about third parties or revolutions, I mean people like AOC, Bernie, Mamdani. They fight them tooth and nail, and thats part of the problem. Of course, as I mentioned, we can’t solve that though, as we’re not part of the DNC, hence the solution I recommend.

Its interesting that both comments that push the nonsense of voter apathy and non participation in the only political system you have needed to completely take a singular part of a multi stage solution out of context to attempt to ridicule it.

If I had just said supporting the democrats and left it at there you might have had a point, actually no, you still wouldn’t as the “light it all on fire mentality” is just anti human. Instead though, you have a very poorly constructed strawman argument, and the response to the other person with a similar style of comment is just as applicable here, but even more so since you are so blatant in your misrepresentation.

were the democrats not in charge after the first trump term an utterly failed to do anything?

Like passing a huge infastructure package, buying a shit ton more vaccines, attempting to and partially succeeding at college debt relief for a large number of people, imposing a minimum corporate tax rate and more?

They didn’t do nothing, they just didn’t provide you the world in one term. You were never getting that, and even if magically your perfect government was voted in tommorow, they wouldn’t be able to give you that without a super majority, and even then it would still probably take more than one term.

More than all of that though, your comment completely misses the rest of my comment to use one part of it out of context to pretend I said changing nothing about the democratic party would be the solution. Thats very bad faith of you.

That’s what the Republicans did to them.

I don’t think this part is true. I agree with the part before this, but not this.

The republicans caused a surge in their hate. They appealed to the heartburn in their esophagus’s, not their hearts and minds.

I think the voter apathy is really what has them winning. The fact that people can recognize that the DNC seeks to do nothing, and somehow have been tricked into thinking this means their votes mean nothing, or that they can’t be changed.

We, on the other hand, have been hitting them over the head with their own racism and stupidity, ignoring the reasons they’re doing what they’re doing - and how we’re playing into Republican hands by doing this over and over.

I don’t think its this at all. In fact, when we stopped doing this is when their votes went up. People largely respond to democrats actually fighting for something instead of saying “at least we arent that other guy”.

The democrats currently, as a group, come across as “We’ll change nothing” and thats the problem. Its a problem that can be fixed though.

Now is the time to build the progressive party as a big tent - if you hold one progressive tenant, you’re a democrat, goddamn it - and start inviting voters into it, with solutions to their problems and acceptance of their ass-backward views until we can soften and change them.

This mentality I actually believe is part of the problem. This speaks as if we’re all a part of the DNC, and we’re not.

Our levers to control this are as I described. Slow change through primaries, state and local politics.

We would all love if tommorow the Democrats turned around and started talking like Mamdani about practical solutions, but they don’t want to do that due to their donors, and the fact a shit ton of the old guard are just rich conservatives.

All these “we need to do X” that start with the DNC magically changing their incentive structure are in similar fairy tale land to a revolution. They misunderstand where the actual roadblocks are, and treat the DNC as if it weren’t currently antagonistic to their goals.

Yes its complex to say that the DNC is antagonistic to your goals but you need to support the Democrats anyways with a full chest, but the world is complex, and this is the reality of a winner takes all/first past the post system. There are 2 major parties, eventually, always under these systems, and you pick the least bad one, and force it to change slowly.

Way better, because it sounds more like what it is “saying something about”.

I do hate headline language though.

This right here is why it is so important to stop spending time and energy trying to reach trump voters.

Their single voter issue is “hurting the right people” and the “right people” is you.

The people who need to be reached are the people who don’t pay attention to the news.

The people who need to be supported are the local people you know affected by this, and the Democrats, because they (along with continued support whilst using primaries, local and state politics to shift them left from within), are the only pragmatic way to unfuck the situation.

People, you’ve gotta stop waiting for a revolution.

Any “solution” that starts with “you first” and involves fighting against forces that vastly out gun you, with people you absolutely would not agree to fight with is a complete non starter.

You have to realize that even if such a revolution happened, after it happened, they’d just pick the same systems that lead to that result.

You want a hail mary but you will not get it.

The practical buckleys tagline solution you all hate but is the only one that works is supporting the fuck out of the democrats in not only the short term (to stop so many people from being harmed), but in the long term too, this way they can’t just use the right as an excuse to go to the right. All that time, youll need to replace the old guard with more progressive members through overwhelming support in primaries, and being active in state and local politics.

Thats the only way forward where you can win, and its a lot more feasible and less painful than any revolution fantasies. In any of those fantasies, its more likely your head rolls than any of the ghouls we all hate.

No.

Is that why most politicians, musicians, comedians etc, still treat it as their main platforms to get info out? Because they don’t take it seriously?

The big problem is actually that they do. That social inertia works so slowly that they didn’t.

That some random crypto company making Bluesky was the closest to a solution, and it looks like it will also have some power crazed person leading it.

Its crazy because primaries are probably the best ways to shift the party towards functioning better for your interests.

This is a new sort of self sabotage I’ve never seen from anyone being serious.

What people need to understand is that the primary goal of the old gaurd at the DNC is to guard the rich.

They also need to simultaneously understand that supporting the democrats despite that and changing them from within, is currently the only pragmatic plan of action.