Up in Canada, they shipped a few hundred Ukrainian soldiers from the second world war here who fought the Russians … as part of a German SS army group.
Ask our country’s leading politicians, they just celebrated one of these SS veterans at a public event in our Parliament.
The second world war started as a reaction to growing communism and socialism especially how it affected the wealth of the status quo. Far right fascists who wanted to destroy socialists during that war were the enemy. At the end of the war, it was more acceptable to be a far right fascist than a communist sympathizer or even to have socialist leanings.
Fascism was never a clear cut definition in that war.
It makes you wonder when and if the war ever ended.
The claim that tensions between those holding power in the capitalist system and the growing communist forces caused the second world war is a pretty hot take as someone who grew up in Germany. Do you have sources on professional dissemination of the facts that arrives at this conclusion? I’m genuinely curious because I hadn’t heard of that interpretation yet.
Lots of information and research over the past 20 - 30 years points to that direction
About half of all deaths in WWII occurred in the eastern front of the war between Germany and Russia … a protracted fight because the allies took their time and about an extra year before they decided to help out the war and open the western front in Europe … all while they all knew that Russians were being killed and the entire Russian countryside was being destroyed … it’s been described as equivalent at the time in the 1940s as killing everyone and destroying cities and towns from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic coast in the United States. … in total about 10 million military deaths and about 10 million civilian deaths (just for the Russia allied side!) … the Germans basically bled on this front too and lost about 5 million themselves … considered the bloodiest theatre of war for all of WWII
Here’s a dramatic explanation and description of who died and from which country.
US industrialists were in league with Nazi Germany … Henry Ford is a prime example who even accepted a civilian medal of honor from Hitler and the Third Reich … Ford even helped the arms build up during the lead up to the war by supplying military vehicles - and just to avoid their name being attached to all this, they created a subsidiary company called Opal that went on to become a major truck manufacturer for the German Nazi army … there were other examples in chemicals, technological and industrial support
US bankers were in league with Germany … a lot of the money produced and collected by the Nazis made its way to North America where it could be kept safe … the grandfather of President Bush … Prescott Bush was a known banker that worked closely with Nazi loyalists … the Duke of Windsor, the British king that abdicated from the throne was in a money laundering scheme with a Swedish banker with Nazi ties to send millions of their funds mixed with Nazi wealth in Mexico (the deal was so convoluted and risky that it is believed it led to the murder to Sir Harry Oakes, one of the wealthiest men in the world at the time, in the Bahamas making it one of the biggest murder mystery scandals during the war)
All because industrialists and capitalists didn’t want the war to affect central Europe all that much … but instead destroy and cripple Communist Russia
It’s even evident in what happened at the end of the war … it was far more acceptable to be a Nazi or a fascist than it was to be a communist
The US space and technological industry was built on bringing in and accepting known Nazis scientists … look the term ‘Operation Paperclip’ … Wernher von Braun basically led the US space race and built rocket technology … even though he was a known Nazi that led slave labour camps to build his rockets at the end of the war … the US spy agency was basically filled with more former Nazis who went on to fetch even more of their Nazi friends all in an effort to fight communists
Even the post war era is just a continued storyline of US leadership just frothing at the mouth to fight communism, even though communists probably didn’t have the ability to take over the world … they had the bomb but not the will or probably any further military ability to do so anyway … meanwhile, the US spent about 20 - 30 years basically supporting fascism or creating fascist governments in South American, Central America, southeast Asia and Africa … look up the history and actions of Allen and Foster Dulles, two of the most evil men in modern history from my point of view, they basically singled handedly messed up world politics for decades through all the terrible things they put into motion in the name of stopping communism.
The fight has always been about communism … it never stopped and continues today … none of this means I love or support modern day Russia which is basically just another capitalist government no different than the Americans or the Europeans … to most supporters of the left, it’s not about communism, it’s just plain old social democratic ideas of sharing the wealth and making a more equitable society … but even that is far too dangerous for wealthy capitalists who want to rule over everything and own everything and everyone.
I mean, Putin and other Russian imperialists see the collapse of the Soviet Union as a national embarrassment and the biggest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century. For many in Russia during the Soviet era, any communist ideology was secondary to being able to dominate their neighbors. To the current Russian state, the war in Ukraine is an attempt to rebuild the USSR under the banner of nationalism rather than socialism.
The sad fact is that Marxist-Leninism allows a buildup of nationalist and ethnonationalist sentiment within their states, even though the goal should be to unite the workers from all socialist states against the owning class. The biggest threat to socialism beyond capitalism is national and ethnic identity influencing the leadership of the movement. They favor their own in group, which breeds discontent in the out group, which can’t be addressed in the system due to the centralization of power under democratic centralism, which leads to more nationalism from people who’s self interest is not being addressed.
This is why Americans during the Cold War would refer to Soviets as Russians. They might not have been able to articulate a single thing wrong with communism, but they could still recognize that the Soviet Union seemed to represent the self interest of Russians more than any of the other states.
So the ukrainians. A few hundred. Fought in WW2 as part of the german SS? So assuming 17 in 1945 the youngest they could be now would be 95. So canada shipped over a few hundred 95+ year old ukrainians who used to be part of the german ss army group for what exactly. I mean Im really surprised you can find that many 95+ year olds of any nationality that furthermore were part of a group that would be an even smaller subset.
Seems like 1950. Here’s a excerpt from the Wikipedia article
Critics of the commission have pointed out it’s many failings. In a 1989 article for the Ottawa Citizen, writer Sol Littman explained, the All-Party Parliamentary War Crimes Group of the British House of Commons found that screening was virtually “non-existent” for Ukrainian SS veterans who entered Canada in 1950. The SS veterans had been allowed into Canada from the U.K. based on false assurances that they were not war criminals. The Foreign Office lied to British parliament in 1947, that the SS volunteers had undergone “a very exhaustive screening process.” In a 1997 interview with 60 Minutes, Irving Abella stated that getting into Canada for SS members, was as easy as just showing their SS blood type tattoo which indicated that they were reliably anti-communist.
Up in Canada, they shipped a few hundred Ukrainian soldiers from the second world war here who fought the Russians … as part of a German SS army group.
Ask our country’s leading politicians, they just celebrated one of these SS veterans at a public event in our Parliament.
The second world war started as a reaction to growing communism and socialism especially how it affected the wealth of the status quo. Far right fascists who wanted to destroy socialists during that war were the enemy. At the end of the war, it was more acceptable to be a far right fascist than a communist sympathizer or even to have socialist leanings.
Fascism was never a clear cut definition in that war.
It makes you wonder when and if the war ever ended.
The claim that tensions between those holding power in the capitalist system and the growing communist forces caused the second world war is a pretty hot take as someone who grew up in Germany. Do you have sources on professional dissemination of the facts that arrives at this conclusion? I’m genuinely curious because I hadn’t heard of that interpretation yet.
Lots of information and research over the past 20 - 30 years points to that direction
About half of all deaths in WWII occurred in the eastern front of the war between Germany and Russia … a protracted fight because the allies took their time and about an extra year before they decided to help out the war and open the western front in Europe … all while they all knew that Russians were being killed and the entire Russian countryside was being destroyed … it’s been described as equivalent at the time in the 1940s as killing everyone and destroying cities and towns from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic coast in the United States. … in total about 10 million military deaths and about 10 million civilian deaths (just for the Russia allied side!) … the Germans basically bled on this front too and lost about 5 million themselves … considered the bloodiest theatre of war for all of WWII
Here’s a dramatic explanation and description of who died and from which country.
https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?si=Y1PPwySGkLtBt_0x
US industrialists were in league with Nazi Germany … Henry Ford is a prime example who even accepted a civilian medal of honor from Hitler and the Third Reich … Ford even helped the arms build up during the lead up to the war by supplying military vehicles - and just to avoid their name being attached to all this, they created a subsidiary company called Opal that went on to become a major truck manufacturer for the German Nazi army … there were other examples in chemicals, technological and industrial support
US bankers were in league with Germany … a lot of the money produced and collected by the Nazis made its way to North America where it could be kept safe … the grandfather of President Bush … Prescott Bush was a known banker that worked closely with Nazi loyalists … the Duke of Windsor, the British king that abdicated from the throne was in a money laundering scheme with a Swedish banker with Nazi ties to send millions of their funds mixed with Nazi wealth in Mexico (the deal was so convoluted and risky that it is believed it led to the murder to Sir Harry Oakes, one of the wealthiest men in the world at the time, in the Bahamas making it one of the biggest murder mystery scandals during the war)
All because industrialists and capitalists didn’t want the war to affect central Europe all that much … but instead destroy and cripple Communist Russia
It’s even evident in what happened at the end of the war … it was far more acceptable to be a Nazi or a fascist than it was to be a communist
The US space and technological industry was built on bringing in and accepting known Nazis scientists … look the term ‘Operation Paperclip’ … Wernher von Braun basically led the US space race and built rocket technology … even though he was a known Nazi that led slave labour camps to build his rockets at the end of the war … the US spy agency was basically filled with more former Nazis who went on to fetch even more of their Nazi friends all in an effort to fight communists
Even the post war era is just a continued storyline of US leadership just frothing at the mouth to fight communism, even though communists probably didn’t have the ability to take over the world … they had the bomb but not the will or probably any further military ability to do so anyway … meanwhile, the US spent about 20 - 30 years basically supporting fascism or creating fascist governments in South American, Central America, southeast Asia and Africa … look up the history and actions of Allen and Foster Dulles, two of the most evil men in modern history from my point of view, they basically singled handedly messed up world politics for decades through all the terrible things they put into motion in the name of stopping communism.
The fight has always been about communism … it never stopped and continues today … none of this means I love or support modern day Russia which is basically just another capitalist government no different than the Americans or the Europeans … to most supporters of the left, it’s not about communism, it’s just plain old social democratic ideas of sharing the wealth and making a more equitable society … but even that is far too dangerous for wealthy capitalists who want to rule over everything and own everything and everyone.
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I made a joke that Ukraine was just a continuation of the Cold War, and that Americans mistook Russia as still being the USSR.
The way liberals (and weird internet stalinists) reacted to that made me realize that isn’t even a joke, that’s literally what they think.
I mean, Putin and other Russian imperialists see the collapse of the Soviet Union as a national embarrassment and the biggest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century. For many in Russia during the Soviet era, any communist ideology was secondary to being able to dominate their neighbors. To the current Russian state, the war in Ukraine is an attempt to rebuild the USSR under the banner of nationalism rather than socialism.
The sad fact is that Marxist-Leninism allows a buildup of nationalist and ethnonationalist sentiment within their states, even though the goal should be to unite the workers from all socialist states against the owning class. The biggest threat to socialism beyond capitalism is national and ethnic identity influencing the leadership of the movement. They favor their own in group, which breeds discontent in the out group, which can’t be addressed in the system due to the centralization of power under democratic centralism, which leads to more nationalism from people who’s self interest is not being addressed.
This is why Americans during the Cold War would refer to Soviets as Russians. They might not have been able to articulate a single thing wrong with communism, but they could still recognize that the Soviet Union seemed to represent the self interest of Russians more than any of the other states.
That’s an extremely good take. I’m going to save it. These are the kinds of posts I come to Lemmy for.
Yeah Putin today is not too different from what Stalin was back in the 30s-40s.
Leave it to a tankie to think “daddy Putin is getting the USSR back together” is an extremely good take xD
That implies that they can think.
So the ukrainians. A few hundred. Fought in WW2 as part of the german SS? So assuming 17 in 1945 the youngest they could be now would be 95. So canada shipped over a few hundred 95+ year old ukrainians who used to be part of the german ss army group for what exactly. I mean Im really surprised you can find that many 95+ year olds of any nationality that furthermore were part of a group that would be an even smaller subset.
This wasn’t recent that they came to Canada
oh. your reply did not really give a good grasp of it. Was it just after the war or what? Whats the circumstances around it?
Seems like 1950. Here’s a excerpt from the Wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
Wow. That is effed up.
I keep saying exactly this. People talking about WWIII, WHOA! we’re still fighting the last one.