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  • KoboldOfArtifice@ttrpg.network
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    3 years ago

    The claim that tensions between those holding power in the capitalist system and the growing communist forces caused the second world war is a pretty hot take as someone who grew up in Germany. Do you have sources on professional dissemination of the facts that arrives at this conclusion? I’m genuinely curious because I hadn’t heard of that interpretation yet.

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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      3 years ago

      Lots of information and research over the past 20 - 30 years points to that direction

      About half of all deaths in WWII occurred in the eastern front of the war between Germany and Russia … a protracted fight because the allies took their time and about an extra year before they decided to help out the war and open the western front in Europe … all while they all knew that Russians were being killed and the entire Russian countryside was being destroyed … it’s been described as equivalent at the time in the 1940s as killing everyone and destroying cities and towns from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic coast in the United States. … in total about 10 million military deaths and about 10 million civilian deaths (just for the Russia allied side!) … the Germans basically bled on this front too and lost about 5 million themselves … considered the bloodiest theatre of war for all of WWII

      Here’s a dramatic explanation and description of who died and from which country.

      https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?si=Y1PPwySGkLtBt_0x

      US industrialists were in league with Nazi Germany … Henry Ford is a prime example who even accepted a civilian medal of honor from Hitler and the Third Reich … Ford even helped the arms build up during the lead up to the war by supplying military vehicles - and just to avoid their name being attached to all this, they created a subsidiary company called Opal that went on to become a major truck manufacturer for the German Nazi army … there were other examples in chemicals, technological and industrial support

      US bankers were in league with Germany … a lot of the money produced and collected by the Nazis made its way to North America where it could be kept safe … the grandfather of President Bush … Prescott Bush was a known banker that worked closely with Nazi loyalists … the Duke of Windsor, the British king that abdicated from the throne was in a money laundering scheme with a Swedish banker with Nazi ties to send millions of their funds mixed with Nazi wealth in Mexico (the deal was so convoluted and risky that it is believed it led to the murder to Sir Harry Oakes, one of the wealthiest men in the world at the time, in the Bahamas making it one of the biggest murder mystery scandals during the war)

      All because industrialists and capitalists didn’t want the war to affect central Europe all that much … but instead destroy and cripple Communist Russia

      It’s even evident in what happened at the end of the war … it was far more acceptable to be a Nazi or a fascist than it was to be a communist

      The US space and technological industry was built on bringing in and accepting known Nazis scientists … look the term ‘Operation Paperclip’ … Wernher von Braun basically led the US space race and built rocket technology … even though he was a known Nazi that led slave labour camps to build his rockets at the end of the war … the US spy agency was basically filled with more former Nazis who went on to fetch even more of their Nazi friends all in an effort to fight communists

      Even the post war era is just a continued storyline of US leadership just frothing at the mouth to fight communism, even though communists probably didn’t have the ability to take over the world … they had the bomb but not the will or probably any further military ability to do so anyway … meanwhile, the US spent about 20 - 30 years basically supporting fascism or creating fascist governments in South American, Central America, southeast Asia and Africa … look up the history and actions of Allen and Foster Dulles, two of the most evil men in modern history from my point of view, they basically singled handedly messed up world politics for decades through all the terrible things they put into motion in the name of stopping communism.

      The fight has always been about communism … it never stopped and continues today … none of this means I love or support modern day Russia which is basically just another capitalist government no different than the Americans or the Europeans … to most supporters of the left, it’s not about communism, it’s just plain old social democratic ideas of sharing the wealth and making a more equitable society … but even that is far too dangerous for wealthy capitalists who want to rule over everything and own everything and everyone.