Yeah he loved it so much he kept coming back, bragged about loving killing and was stationed at Abu Ghraib. A literal blackwater mercenary with a Totenkropf tattoo.
This does raise a good question from a socialist perspective: Can someone even as far gone as Plattner change? Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.
Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.
Being in the Red Army is not equivalent to being a Senator. You don’t fuck up and then go into politics and seek out a leadership position as a “second chance.” That’s not forgiveness, that’s just failing to hold politicians accountable and letting powerful people get away with shit.
Humility is a requirement of forgiveness and seeking public office is in complete contradiction to that. You want forgiveness, go volunteer at a soup kitchen or some shit. Don’t fuck up and then immediately go, “I think I deserve to be invested with power.”
You’ve got me in your first two paragraphs but lose me in the third. I agree that people can show that they’re a fundamentally different person through hard work and successful change, but not that redemption is impossible.
I often like to return to the thought experiment of “if starting now everyone lived forever, how long would we imprison people for their crimes?” Also, we know Plattner was part of multiple evil organizations, but what do we actually know he did for them, because I genuinely don’t know.
Being part of the evil organization is a material action of support.
I mean that you have to lose the liberalism inherent in western culture.
Liberal idealism tells us that only ideas matter - that someone can be redeemed by having and expressing the right ideas. Socialism is at odds with this view. A materialist view would say that the track record of actual actions (not words) can cause a cumulative qualitative change.
So no, redemption (a singular act/expression by which one becomes redeemed) is not real.
For not supporting the nazi tattoo blackwater mercenary who committed war crimes, joined to kill brown people, and won’t shut the fuck up about wanting to rape a burglar. Yeah, anyone who doesnt like genocide is required to love him.
You’re certainly doing all you can to move the billionaire and AIPAC agenda forward while blaming it on fellow citizens. Good Job. They should pay you for your services making sure the left will never unite
Actually the extremist stance is the insanely normalized praise for a bunch of volunteer serial killers who do exactly what ICE did to Goode and Pretti, but they do it to brown people overseas so liberals don’t care.
So to be clear voting for an AIPAC candidate who is sending our tax dollars to a fascist religious extremist country that is currently committing an ongoing genocide against the indigenous people of the Middle East is anti Nazi? Lmao A country that claims to represent the victims of the holocaust while ignoring all the international laws put in place to prevent the same conduct that the Nazis operated by conducting themselves exactly like the third Reich. Also, a man who is proud of his multiple Nazi tattoos has now gotten us into a “holy” war to support the colony committing a genocide and you feel our number one enemy is a guy who is speaking out against these things? Israel is the turd Reich of our time. Dude is endorsed by track AIPAC they don’t endorse just anyone. Robert Maxwell published our textbooks so a lot of us were in the dark until recently. People support him because he’s the best candidate by far. Grow up. Aren’t you supposed to vote blue no matter who anyway?
This is a very angry rant that seems deeply confused on multiple levels but the 2 most important I feel it’s important to address
Israel is the turd Reich of our time
No that would be the US. Israel for all intents and purposes is essentially a US state acting like it’s some abomination separate from the power that funds and controls it is silly.
Aren’t you supposed to vote blue no matter who anyway?
Absolutely fucking not. Not only should you not vote blue no matter who, you shouldn’t vote blue or red at all you should take meaningful action to actually challenge the Hitlerite state of the US. But I suppose that’s too much for crakkkers like you who benefit from US imperialism and just want a better share of the spoils.
I’m not American anyway I’ll be happy pissing on the corpse of your empire as it continues to decline.
So you’re saying Colin’s is the best choice?!?! We know she’s a magat pro genocide Nazi. Dude is anti Israel at a time Israel has literally infiltrated our government for nefarious purposes. I would take platner a million times over. My dad was a special forces multiple tour combat veteran from Vietnam who ended up becoming a hippie! People change war changes people and he has earned my respect.
Lemmy the only place where well-articulated sentences still get misinterpreted. You can say “I don’t like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you love waffles?” Dats a whole new sentence. Wtf is you talkin about.
The primary was not him vs. collins. You brought her up. She’s not the candidate that’s supposed to be in my party. Even though I don’t live in Maine if he claims to be a socialist I will hold him accountable. The Republican candidate does not claim socialist politics
He is now and He was the only viable candidate against colins. Democratic socialism is probably a pretty good path to save our democracy realistically.
So when I focus on his faults, as a leftist, I will tell you most serious organizations would not let someone like Platner provide any lip service whatsoever. When you talk about material praxis that’s one thing, when you talk elected bourgeois officials it’s another. Graham himself isn’t necessarily the issue, it’s that the message is popular but the candidates are still controlled by the DNC, which always goes as hard as it can AGAINST real socialist policy.
So when you see “endorsed by Bernie, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, etc.”: That’s exactly the problem, they’re no different than the establishment dems, which are pretty much diet “Susan Collins” anyways. Schumer & Elizabeth Warren are cracking $700k in AIPAC donations themselves combined. Just saying these democrat politicians aren’t your friend.
I’d rather have a million zohran’s to criticize than this weird ass woman abusing military freak.
Ok??? Because two demons are fighting for a seat at the devils table we shouldn’t point out that the one the so-called leftists hope will be on their side and is supportive of the resistance to genocide is in fact a demon and that the whole thing is a sham?
Is this person running under the “Democratic Socialists of America“ ticket? No? Ok.
Are there people confused as to who’s supposed to be the leftist here? I know he had a super far right tattoo but he’s running as a leftist. Hence the criticism from leftists. Do you really want me to exhaust even more reasons why I don’t vote for republicans or are you trying to win an election?
Yeah he loved it so much he kept coming back, bragged about loving killing and was stationed at Abu Ghraib. A literal blackwater mercenary with a Totenkropf tattoo.
USians deserve to suffer if he is their hope…
This does raise a good question from a socialist perspective: Can someone even as far gone as Plattner change? Consider also that there were people in the Red Army that were previously in the White Army.
Being in the Red Army is not equivalent to being a Senator. You don’t fuck up and then go into politics and seek out a leadership position as a “second chance.” That’s not forgiveness, that’s just failing to hold politicians accountable and letting powerful people get away with shit.
Humility is a requirement of forgiveness and seeking public office is in complete contradiction to that. You want forgiveness, go volunteer at a soup kitchen or some shit. Don’t fuck up and then immediately go, “I think I deserve to be invested with power.”
You gotta lose the christian mindset. Change isn’t a decision made in your heart and publicly announcing your intentions to everyone.
Change is parity. Change is years of material, real-world, actions building up to show a fundamentally different person.
No, no one can ever be redeemed. But yes, people can show they are a fundamentally different person by working hard for years.
You’ve got me in your first two paragraphs but lose me in the third. I agree that people can show that they’re a fundamentally different person through hard work and successful change, but not that redemption is impossible.
I often like to return to the thought experiment of “if starting now everyone lived forever, how long would we imprison people for their crimes?” Also, we know Plattner was part of multiple evil organizations, but what do we actually know he did for them, because I genuinely don’t know.
Being part of the evil organization is a material action of support.
I mean that you have to lose the liberalism inherent in western culture.
Liberal idealism tells us that only ideas matter - that someone can be redeemed by having and expressing the right ideas. Socialism is at odds with this view. A materialist view would say that the track record of actual actions (not words) can cause a cumulative qualitative change.
So no, redemption (a singular act/expression by which one becomes redeemed) is not real.
That’s a valid critique. His track record of change doesn’t really extend past promises that he’s different.
I agree, thanks for hearing me out!
That’s how a dialectic is supposed to work, right? Rational back and forth to narrow down the truth?
Show me actual evidence that this guy is worse than Collins because it really seems like this is just a bs take.
Whataboutism
Whataboutism lmao. He is literally running against Colins. It’s pretty clear this page is pro genocide
For not supporting the nazi tattoo blackwater mercenary who committed war crimes, joined to kill brown people, and won’t shut the fuck up about wanting to rape a burglar. Yeah, anyone who doesnt like genocide is required to love him.
That’s a lot of things to say with no source to back it up
You’re certainly doing all you can to move the billionaire and AIPAC agenda forward while blaming it on fellow citizens. Good Job. They should pay you for your services making sure the left will never unite
You are not even close to being on “the left”
Do you hate all veterans? That’s a pretty extremist stance.
Actually the extremist stance is the insanely normalized praise for a bunch of volunteer serial killers who do exactly what ICE did to Goode and Pretti, but they do it to brown people overseas so liberals don’t care.
You’re pro nazi that is a pretty extremist stance.
So to be clear voting for an AIPAC candidate who is sending our tax dollars to a fascist religious extremist country that is currently committing an ongoing genocide against the indigenous people of the Middle East is anti Nazi? Lmao A country that claims to represent the victims of the holocaust while ignoring all the international laws put in place to prevent the same conduct that the Nazis operated by conducting themselves exactly like the third Reich. Also, a man who is proud of his multiple Nazi tattoos has now gotten us into a “holy” war to support the colony committing a genocide and you feel our number one enemy is a guy who is speaking out against these things? Israel is the turd Reich of our time. Dude is endorsed by track AIPAC they don’t endorse just anyone. Robert Maxwell published our textbooks so a lot of us were in the dark until recently. People support him because he’s the best candidate by far. Grow up. Aren’t you supposed to vote blue no matter who anyway?
This is a very angry rant that seems deeply confused on multiple levels but the 2 most important I feel it’s important to address
No that would be the US. Israel for all intents and purposes is essentially a US state acting like it’s some abomination separate from the power that funds and controls it is silly.
Absolutely fucking not. Not only should you not vote blue no matter who, you shouldn’t vote blue or red at all you should take meaningful action to actually challenge the Hitlerite state of the US. But I suppose that’s too much for crakkkers like you who benefit from US imperialism and just want a better share of the spoils.
I’m not American anyway I’ll be happy pissing on the corpse of your empire as it continues to decline.
So you’re saying Colin’s is the best choice?!?! We know she’s a magat pro genocide Nazi. Dude is anti Israel at a time Israel has literally infiltrated our government for nefarious purposes. I would take platner a million times over. My dad was a special forces multiple tour combat veteran from Vietnam who ended up becoming a hippie! People change war changes people and he has earned my respect.
Slightly changing the meme:
Lemmy the only place where well-articulated sentences still get misinterpreted. You can say “I don’t like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you love waffles?” Dats a whole new sentence. Wtf is you talkin about.
Oh buddy… gestures to everywhere tho
Yeah but hence sayeth the meme 🤷
Show me actual evidence that this guy is worse than Collins.
Who here is talking about KKKollinSS?? That’s a whole other person
It’s him vs Colins
The primary was not him vs. collins. You brought her up. She’s not the candidate that’s supposed to be in my party. Even though I don’t live in Maine if he claims to be a socialist I will hold him accountable. The Republican candidate does not claim socialist politics
He is now and He was the only viable candidate against colins. Democratic socialism is probably a pretty good path to save our democracy realistically.
So when I focus on his faults, as a leftist, I will tell you most serious organizations would not let someone like Platner provide any lip service whatsoever. When you talk about material praxis that’s one thing, when you talk elected bourgeois officials it’s another. Graham himself isn’t necessarily the issue, it’s that the message is popular but the candidates are still controlled by the DNC, which always goes as hard as it can AGAINST real socialist policy.
So when you see “endorsed by Bernie, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, etc.”: That’s exactly the problem, they’re no different than the establishment dems, which are pretty much diet “Susan Collins” anyways. Schumer & Elizabeth Warren are cracking $700k in AIPAC donations themselves combined. Just saying these democrat politicians aren’t your friend.
I’d rather have a million zohran’s to criticize than this weird ass woman abusing military freak.
Ok??? Because two demons are fighting for a seat at the devils table we shouldn’t point out that the one the so-called leftists hope will be on their side and is supportive of the resistance to genocide is in fact a demon and that the whole thing is a sham?
Is this person running under the “Democratic Socialists of America“ ticket? No? Ok.
Are there people confused as to who’s supposed to be the leftist here? I know he had a super far right tattoo but he’s running as a leftist. Hence the criticism from leftists. Do you really want me to exhaust even more reasons why I don’t vote for republicans or are you trying to win an election?
Please make your point or leave it be
Fuck off
It wasn’t in the fucking primary
Now it is and anyone with eyes could see it was
When you have no fucking idea what a primary is