I’m with you 1000%. And the unpopularity of the opinion is alarming. This is something I did sociological research on in college.
Be extremely wary of any ideology that frames someone else’s culture as morally inferior or disposable.
That’s 100% being exploited as an alt right pipeline. Not everyone in those spaces slides all the way right, obviously, but that is often the function: take legitimate left-leaning concerns, attach them to disgust and cultural contempt, and then redirect people toward reactionary politics.
That’s how you get granola moms drifting into anti-vax conspiracies. Same mechanism, different target.
Online vegan spaces, fuckcars spaces, anti-vax groups, homeschooling groups, some permaculture communities, the pattern is familiar. The underlying ideas can be completely valid: fewer cars, less meat, more sustainable living, skepticism of corporate power. But the communities can become pipelines when they stop critiquing systems and start talking like entire cultures or groups of people are the problem. And they all do.
And when people regularly talk about other cultures needing to disappear from the earth, we depart from “edgy activism” and move into clearly defined genocidal language.
The problem isn’t being anti-car or anti-meat. The problem is pretending dehumanization becomes righteous because it’s dressed up as progressive ideology.
tl;dr Anger is addictive, leads to dehumanization, and allows for genocidal politics.
I agree with what you say except for that this applies to fuckcars (on Lemmy at least), or at least any more than the entirety of Lemmy. Their content is pretty normal.
We all upvote posts calling out the ragebait and flippancy. But when I actually call out anger-addiction content—like fumes over JD Vance joking that Vice Presidents can’t be laughed at, or another MAGA adherent inroducing another MAGA bill unlikely to advance—I get downvoted to heck.
Ok first: AI post is AI. Gtfo, no one out here using hyphens and emdashes on a markup language message board. That was copied and pasted from your LLM.
But actually really first of all “I agree all sub communities that dehumanize the out group are co-opted by the alt right, but not my sub community that dehumanizes the out group.”
Even your AI made a bad argument, bruv. This is your clue to quit while you’re… Only as far behind as you are. Fuckcars community is cancer.
Tagged as “uses AI to craft responses”.
100% of communities that exist to debase another community are cancer. If this is your wakeup call, good. If you’re still addicted to hate after this concise explanation, you’re their demographic. You’re drunk on the sauce and a significant proportion therein will go to the literal lengths of genocide past this point.
A tiny lesson: hyphens and unspaced em dashes, along with spaced en dashes, are usually considered proper orthography. If you take a closer look at AI output you’ll notice what they do is the unholy freakature of the spaced em dash. Try it out.
You’ll also notice that I am not exactly using proper orthography with regards to commas. There should be a comma before “except”; and in this response, before “. You cannot get AI to naturally replicate my ticks unless you explicitly tell it to. Try it out.
what is using markdown supposed to have to do with anything how is that supposed to make me use less dashes—
but not my sub community
when did i dehumanize any group what even is my sub community i don’t think i have one 😢
All I’m saying is that there are lots of communities far worse. Just look any comments for !technology, !mews, or !politics posts on remotely heated topics (there’s at least one every day).
P.S.: just curious, what motivates you to use pascal case for “GTFO” but not “LLM”? is it because you consider the former a common expression? i’ve only seen that done with pronounceable acronyms
Nah, the insidious dumbing down of everyday printed englishes, false standardization around yankee commerce-lite, and panicky AI false accusations, is getting pretty corrosive, your comment included.
Some of us use a full range of written options, have multiple copies of Strunk & White’s Elements of Style , or just graduated with a lit degree and now have few outlets for it other than in fora. Just because you like to read down the complexity scale doesn’t mean others do.
Maybe you are right about chatbot input here, maybe not. Your manner and approach are unselfconsciously satirical in this thread, though.
Just because the final output was copy-pasted from an LLM doesn’t mean the person didn’t write it. I use AI to check my grammar all the time. I’ve specifically instructed it to use a hyphen in place of an em dash to avoid these kinds of accusations, but I shouldn’t need to. It’s correct grammar.
I’m with you 1000%. And the unpopularity of the opinion is alarming. This is something I did sociological research on in college.
Be extremely wary of any ideology that frames someone else’s culture as morally inferior or disposable.
That’s 100% being exploited as an alt right pipeline. Not everyone in those spaces slides all the way right, obviously, but that is often the function: take legitimate left-leaning concerns, attach them to disgust and cultural contempt, and then redirect people toward reactionary politics.
That’s how you get granola moms drifting into anti-vax conspiracies. Same mechanism, different target.
Online vegan spaces, fuckcars spaces, anti-vax groups, homeschooling groups, some permaculture communities, the pattern is familiar. The underlying ideas can be completely valid: fewer cars, less meat, more sustainable living, skepticism of corporate power. But the communities can become pipelines when they stop critiquing systems and start talking like entire cultures or groups of people are the problem. And they all do.
And when people regularly talk about other cultures needing to disappear from the earth, we depart from “edgy activism” and move into clearly defined genocidal language.
The problem isn’t being anti-car or anti-meat. The problem is pretending dehumanization becomes righteous because it’s dressed up as progressive ideology.
tl;dr Anger is addictive, leads to dehumanization, and allows for genocidal politics.
Thank you for the well thought out defense that I would be incapable of making.
Great summary of how silos function.
I watched this happen in real time over a period of two years to my Pilates teacher (and friend) of 12 years.
It was heartbreaking.
I agree with what you say except for that this applies to fuckcars (on Lemmy at least), or at least any more than the entirety of Lemmy. Their content is pretty normal.
We all upvote posts calling out the ragebait and flippancy. But when I actually call out anger-addiction content—like fumes over JD Vance joking that Vice Presidents can’t be laughed at, or another MAGA adherent inroducing another MAGA bill unlikely to advance—I get downvoted to heck.
Ok first: AI post is AI. Gtfo, no one out here using hyphens and emdashes on a markup language message board. That was copied and pasted from your LLM.
But actually really first of all “I agree all sub communities that dehumanize the out group are co-opted by the alt right, but not my sub community that dehumanizes the out group.”
Even your AI made a bad argument, bruv. This is your clue to quit while you’re… Only as far behind as you are. Fuckcars community is cancer.
Tagged as “uses AI to craft responses”.
100% of communities that exist to debase another community are cancer. If this is your wakeup call, good. If you’re still addicted to hate after this concise explanation, you’re their demographic. You’re drunk on the sauce and a significant proportion therein will go to the literal lengths of genocide past this point.
Wake the fuck up.
what the fuck 😭
A tiny lesson: hyphens and unspaced em dashes, along with spaced en dashes, are usually considered proper orthography. If you take a closer look at AI output you’ll notice what they do is the unholy freakature of the spaced em dash. Try it out.
You’ll also notice that I am not exactly using proper orthography with regards to commas. There should be a comma before “except”; and in this response, before “. You cannot get AI to naturally replicate my ticks unless you explicitly tell it to. Try it out.
what is using markdown supposed to have to do with anything how is that supposed to make me use less dashes—
when did i dehumanize any group what even is my sub community i don’t think i have one 😢
All I’m saying is that there are lots of communities far worse. Just look any comments for !technology, !mews, or !politics posts on remotely heated topics (there’s at least one every day).
P.S.: just curious, what motivates you to use pascal case for “GTFO” but not “LLM”? is it because you consider the former a common expression? i’ve only seen that done with pronounceable acronyms
There’s also a nugget of irony in saying “you’re still addicted to hate” while hating on whoever uses hyphens and emdashes.
Stopped reading when you accused someone of using AI with the stupidest evidence
Nah, the insidious dumbing down of everyday printed englishes, false standardization around yankee commerce-lite, and panicky AI false accusations, is getting pretty corrosive, your comment included.
Some of us use a full range of written options, have multiple copies of Strunk & White’s Elements of Style , or just graduated with a lit degree and now have few outlets for it other than in fora. Just because you like to read down the complexity scale doesn’t mean others do.
Maybe you are right about chatbot input here, maybe not. Your manner and approach are unselfconsciously satirical in this thread, though.
Just because the final output was copy-pasted from an LLM doesn’t mean the person didn’t write it. I use AI to check my grammar all the time. I’ve specifically instructed it to use a hyphen in place of an em dash to avoid these kinds of accusations, but I shouldn’t need to. It’s correct grammar.
I love that you’re not seeing the irony from your first comment to this one.