Gas/diesel vehicles dont generally update anything significant over the air
This is just not true. I work in this industry and most American brands have been doing OTAs for their ICE vehicles for at least half a decade, some for longer. Gas cars absolutely have central computers running Linux/QNX with monitoring and data collection capabilities and they’ve had them for over a decade. They’ve also been internet connected for about as long. Recall Jeeps got remote controlledback in 2015. The only thing that’s changed with EVs in this regard is marketing - higher emphasis on infotainment features. But the exact same systems are shipping in ICE vehicles now that EVs have taken a back seat for NA autos. I’m literally working on this stuff. :D So what the parent says is absolutely true - the only way to save ourselves from vehicle surveillance is our own government regulation.
Secured against unauthorized remote access any better - very likely. Secured data against unauthorized access, probably. But Jeep is authorized. The broader important point is that there’s no fundamental difference between the computer system shipped in that 2015 Jeep and today’s Jeep. There’s vehicle LAN network in addition to the CAN network. There’s usually several computers on it talking to each other, with access to the internet and Jeep’s servers (through a cell modem). There’s typically a central computer that does core function, infotainment computer that drives the centre display, an ADAS computer that does driver assist. There could be more. Today they have faster CPUs, more RAM and more storage than in 2015. Think evolution of smartphone SoCs as they’re typically related. Depending on the manufacturer and model, they could be combined into fewer or spread to more computers. Also depending on the manufacturer they collect and send different amounts of data. The overarching incentive is that data collection is profitable so every manufacturer has to contend with that and oppose it to what they’re allowed to do. Pretty sure you know how competition for profit maximization works. You probably have to go back to early 2010s models to find ICE vehicles without these computers.
This is just not true. I work in this industry and most American brands have been doing OTAs for their ICE vehicles for at least half a decade, some for longer. Gas cars absolutely have central computers running Linux/QNX with monitoring and data collection capabilities and they’ve had them for over a decade. They’ve also been internet connected for about as long. Recall Jeeps got remote controlled back in 2015. The only thing that’s changed with EVs in this regard is marketing - higher emphasis on infotainment features. But the exact same systems are shipping in ICE vehicles now that EVs have taken a back seat for NA autos. I’m literally working on this stuff. :D So what the parent says is absolutely true - the only way to save ourselves from vehicle surveillance is our own government regulation.
Gotta say, Id never heard of the 2015 Jeep hack before. I wonder whether the changes after that point secured data any better.
Secured against unauthorized remote access any better - very likely. Secured data against unauthorized access, probably. But Jeep is authorized. The broader important point is that there’s no fundamental difference between the computer system shipped in that 2015 Jeep and today’s Jeep. There’s vehicle LAN network in addition to the CAN network. There’s usually several computers on it talking to each other, with access to the internet and Jeep’s servers (through a cell modem). There’s typically a central computer that does core function, infotainment computer that drives the centre display, an ADAS computer that does driver assist. There could be more. Today they have faster CPUs, more RAM and more storage than in 2015. Think evolution of smartphone SoCs as they’re typically related. Depending on the manufacturer and model, they could be combined into fewer or spread to more computers. Also depending on the manufacturer they collect and send different amounts of data. The overarching incentive is that data collection is profitable so every manufacturer has to contend with that and oppose it to what they’re allowed to do. Pretty sure you know how competition for profit maximization works. You probably have to go back to early 2010s models to find ICE vehicles without these computers.