I’ll give you some context: I (22M) was raised to believe that heterosexuality and its associated biological drives naturally resulted in paternalistic relationship structures where the man has absolute power and the woman is his willing subject. This dynamic was seen as natural and desirable as long as the man led in good faith. As such, men were active partners who showed initiative, while women were passive partners that responded to a man’s advances. Male passivity and female initiative were viewed as unnatural desires.

My tendency to treat others with soft-spoken gentleness and careful consideration instead of stern authority and quick decisiveness made me originally believe that I was incompatible with women despite being attracted to them. I also viscerally hated the idea of subjugating or controlling others because it felt evil. I wanted to work with a partner, not above her.

Additionally, I had fantasies about women initiating affection, taking active roles during intimacy, and expressing a primal hunger to take the reins, fantasies which I believed were impossible to fulfill because my upbringing taught me that female initiative fundamentally did not exist anywhere except in niche fetishes (e.g. femdom), and male passivity would be a turn-off.

The dynamic I find appealing is one in which a partner and I are excited to pursue each other’s pleasure by mutually initiating affection/intimacy and taking turns swapping between active and passive roles. My worry is that there aren’t a lot of women who have that drive to pursue their partners in an assertive manner. What is that impression based on, you ask? Not much, except the “values” I was raised with and the trashy adult sites that I’ve looked at over the years.

It may be worth noting that I hate BDSM and power exchange dynamics where one partner is subject to another’s command and absolute control. What I crave is a consensual, passionate, and attentive lead over someone’s pleasure from a place of love, not domination, and for that initiative to change fluidly between partners.

Is this something with a substantial presence in the real world? How might I find partners who see intimacy in this way as opposed to the “lay down and take it” model? Usually the people on Lemmy have a lot of decently helpful and non-regressive takes, so I’m interested in the opinions here. Thanks!

(And yes, I know that there’s a decent chance that I sound completely stupid and embarrassing here because I fell for a multi-generational psyop used to consolidate political power in the hands of evil men, but think about how many millions of people there are who wouldn’t even think to question this programming… Also, I don’t plan on pursuing a relationship yet because I’m still deconstructing the mountain of lies that I was fed and building my self-confidence, but I think I can make it there eventually.)

  • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    I can answer this without even bringing you an essay based on vast personal experience. Get this: you exist, and your circumstances and experiences are hardly uncommon. How could it be anything but highly likely that women who also don’t conform to those views also exist?

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      19 days ago

      I really like this argument because the only response I can come up with is “I’m uniquely kinky/unlucky compared to everyone else” based on no real evidence

      Maybe… maybe I’m not the main character…

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    It is very common for women to enjoy and enthusiastically participate in sex. It is less common for them to take the lead and give instructions, especially with a new partner.

    I would recommend that first you just find someone who wants to have sex with you, and spend some time exploring each other, figuring out what the other likes and doesnt like.

    Then, try to find someone who is also into your particular kink.

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    19 days ago

    The question has already been answered, but I wanna let you in on a little secret; we are all dumb. Even the ones that you think are the smartest among us. They fumble some silly things all the time, just like you and me. Embrace the stupid, I say. Ask questions and be dumb! :)

    Speaking of…anyone wanna tell a dumdum how to do spoiler text on here?

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    19 days ago

    you’re young, ladies your age can be crazy about sex as much as guys

    there’s every experience out there if you’re willing to look beyond someone who isn’t as pretty as the other one.

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    19 days ago

    I had fantasies about women initiating affection, taking active roles during intimacy, and expressing a primal hunger to take the reins

    In my personal experience, this is pretty much the norm. Women can have just as much sex drive as men, and can express it just as “aggressively”. In every relationship I’ve had, there are times where I’ll initiate, times where she’ll initiate, and times where we’ll both look at each other with a “Yes. Right now.” look. Note that I’ve never been into any BDSM or other “exciting” kink stuff, I’m just talking about initiative and passionately expressing that “I want you” feeling.

    Of course, this is a side of women you won’t see until you get with someone that both wants you and feels comfortable enough you to express it.

    So long story short: What you’re looking for is pretty much the norm as far as I can tell.

  • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠@slrpnk.net
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    19 days ago

    Some women need very specific physical stimulation to achieve orgasm, and it can be easier to get there if they’re in charge or on top. Everyone is different.