• Saturdaycat@kbin.social
    9·
    3 years ago

    I just started the use the fediverse to get away from Meta (I have a somewhat active Instagram) and Reddit.

    Now unfortunately my userbase is going to threads without knowing what it even is. I’m trying to spread awareness about the fediverse but it’s like yelling into the void. I signed up for threads and will continue to try to post content about the fediverse, but I also have to have an audience to share my art to as I’m trying to build some interest for a game I’m making.

    This really sucks. I feel extremely upset about this whole meta thing. I could continue to try to build from scratch, but I am hoping to release the game next year and I already have 3 years head start on Instagram, it feels bad to also just abandon what I’ve worked hard on.

    I dunno, I’m just venting. I hate Meta. I don’t even have a actual Facebook account. Hell I didn’t know Facebook owned Instagram until a year in.

    I’ll just try to continue to stay active on my fediverse accounts. And try to promote the fediverse on the centralized BS networks.

    • zos_kia@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      4·
      3 years ago

      Hey man don’t overthink it. You need a meta product for work or for a project, just use it professionally. You need to think about your own success and go where your audience is.

      Now on your personal time if you don’t want the toxicity of those places come to the fediverse and let’s have a nice chat.

      I think the goal of the fediverse is not to eat the world but on the contrary to give us alternatives so we can compartmentalize our internet life.

      • Saturdaycat@kbin.social
        3·
        3 years ago

        Thank you so much, seeing the whole threads thing ruined my day yesterday night and this morning. I felt like a sense of hopelessness for the future of decentralized platforms.

        You’re right, I can continue to use both for different purposes.

        Thank you so much. Seriously!

  • GVasco@discuss.tchncs.de
    3·
    3 years ago

    Moved to Fediverse to get away from the data hoarding and selling that those types of companies partake in. Really hope most instances will defederate from threads and prevent Meta from collecting more data.

    • nero@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 years ago

      The only thing they can collect (as long as you aren’t on their services) are the things that are available for the entire world to see. So your comments, usernames etc. are already visible and they won’t get any of your personal data as that’s not known except to your instances admins.

    • fuckyou_m8@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      1·
      3 years ago

      They will collect or probably are already collecting. Even if everyone defederate from Threads, they can and will open a secret instance and get all the data without anyone knowing it

  • autumn@reddthat.comEnglish
    3·
    3 years ago

    I’m also concerned about the potential for embrace/extend/extinguish, but searching for other fediverse users and posts is enough of a hurdle that threads might end up naturally staying a fairly separate instance.

    • eee@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Honestly I don’t think the fediverse is big enough for zuck to consider it a threat.

  • nefonous@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 years ago

    Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?

    I’m genuinely curious.

    Meta couldn’t give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn’t and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.

    You keep them out, good. They don’t care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway

    Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won’t even notice any difference if they are federated or not.

    They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content

    • tookmyname@lemmy.ml
      1·
      3 years ago

      Defederation isn’t about punishing them. It’s about keeping their garbage off this platform, and keeping it separate.

  • meggied90@vlemmy.net
    1·
    3 years ago

    Some clever coding genius should host an instance for a bot they make that stays federated with everyone, and the entire point of the bot is to crawl across posts and anyone posting from Threads gets a nice public reply about why Threads is a toxic instance and they should switch to a non-Meta one immediately.

  • Christopher Masto@lemmy.masto.community
    1·
    3 years ago

    This is how it should work. I don’t want to have to sign up on every different service. If people I want to follow choose to post stuff there that I want to read, I can do so from my Mastodon account.

  • dekatron@lemmy.fmhy.ml
    1·
    3 years ago

    I’m interested in seeing how the enshittification of Threads will unfold. It’s all super neat and cozy right now with a clean UI, no ads, not many sign up nags, and such. When they build up their userbase, we’ll see how the platform devolves.

      • linucs@lemmy.ml
        2·
        3 years ago

        I said in a different thread but: It’s a good, and very scary, reading but I would argue that it does not directly translate here because Lemmy / Kbin and Reddit are not social media per se, they are content focused instead of being person focus. Here no one cares who you are, we are all here for content. The XMPP EEE succeeded because once defederated people were not able to talk to their friends, defederating Threads would cut us off from strangers and their content, it’s not a big deal.

        We’ll see what happens, hopefully the Fediverse will not be another free social media attempt killed by greedy corporates.

    • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
      6·
      3 years ago

      Arbitrarily blocking an actor at the protocol level is directly contrary to the entire point of decentralized protocols in the first place.

      I know, Meta bad, but the fact of the matter is that they probably won’t be defederated by everyone, actually, because the idea of being able interact with your real friends and family and other people you know is going to be enticing.

    • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      Not really, censorship isn’t the solution.

      Edit: I just woke up when I wrote the original comment and I can see that it’s not the clearest piece of text I’ve ever produced. What I meant is that I fully agree with defederating (and I’ll do it on my instance), but I don’t think censoring Meta in the core technology (ActivityPub) is the way to go.

        • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
          0·
          3 years ago

          I agree with that.

          I disagree with this part:

          They should put a hard-coded Meta blocker into activityhub

          Though I can see that my comment might seem very misleading (in my defense, I just woke up when I wrote it).

            • Rikudou_Sage@lemmings.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 years ago

              Changeable definitely, would have to think about whether default block is the smart thing to do. It’s hard, I really dislike Meta, but on the other hand if you go censoring instances by default, where does it stop?

              IMO this should be the job of articles that tell you how to setup Lemmy, mentioning something like “Note that by default you also allow Meta the access to your instance which might mean privacy breach, here’s how you disable it.”

              • ♂️Łumało♂️ [he/him]@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                01·
                3 years ago

                Many admins are lazy, and they expect their software to run well on sensible defaults, most won’t care and just go with whatever the devs consider to be fine. By choosing wether Meta is blocked or not by default the fediverse will have to take a stance.

                Do we allow extremely powerful corporations that want to monopolize their influence but we get a user surge in the short term.

                Or do we block them by default and anyone making an instance should make the concious choice to join the corpo-verse themselves so we can continue to foster a healthier alternative to whatever they are cooking.

                I’d rather have the latter.

  • Roundcat@kbin.social
    0·
    3 years ago

    Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

    If Kbin or Lemmy allows them to federate with us, I’m out of here.

    • linucs@lemmy.ml
      1·
      3 years ago

      I felt the same way but then I read this and changed my mind about it https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

      Thinking about it I’m in an European country where Whatsapp is the default messenger app, if it had interoperability I could be on another FOSS app and be tracked by Meta just when I talk to people who are on Whatsapp and be free when talking to people not on Whatsapp, this could be great to make people switch “clients”, which is damn hard now because “everyone is on Whatsapp”. Interoperability is the shit and we should embrace it!