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Cake day: July 1st, 2023

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  • p3n@lemmy.worldto196@lemmy.worldIrony rule
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    9 days ago

    I’m sorry you assume this is in bad faith. Internet text messages leave a lot to be desired when it comes to conveying a message. I am sincere, but I’m afraid I often come off as know-it-all, arrogant, holier-than-thow, in an attempt to make my point. I’m afraid it is self-defeating. I need to learn how to communicate these things better.

    I sincerely hope you can enjoy your day also.



  • p3n@lemmy.worldto196@lemmy.worldIrony rule
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    9 days ago

    My point is that saying: “You have to have a storm if you want flowers” or “You have to break a few eggs to make an omelete” or “We must burn the old grass so that new grass can grow” are all just other ways of saying that “the ends justify the means” and have been used by people throughout history to justify whatever horrible thing they wanted to do.




  • p3n@lemmy.worldto196@lemmy.worldIrony rule
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    10 days ago

    I’m not advocating tolerance. The key difference is laughing at someone’s death isn’t just an expression of disapproval, it is a devaluation of human life in general. It isn’t a question of being justified in laughing at their demise because they laughed at horrible things; the very act of laughing degrades yourself.

    Let me put it another way: Epstein and his accomplices deserved to be gang raped by all of us in prison. Should we run a train on them? No! Because that defiles us as much as it does them.


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    10 days ago

    You do you. I cannot change your mind.

    I will not laugh though, because I look at myself and I see the same potential for evil in myself. I can see how I could become a Hitler or a Pol Pot and orchestrate horrific things while convincing myself I am right. Laughing at the death of a man who espoused violence and shunned empathy isn’t going to complete that transformation, but it is a step in that direction.

    P.S. I originally posted a meme, but I thought it was too glib for this conversation.


  • p3n@lemmy.worldto196@lemmy.worldIrony rule
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    10 days ago

    The same logic does not apply because their motivations are different. The CEO is motivated by greed and the facist is motivated by hate.

    If you are motivated by greed and selfishness in spite of the suffering of others, and you see there is a risk of losing everything because you were too exploitive, then it is in your own selfish interest to avoid that outcome.

    If you are motivated by hate, then seeing someone with your ideology get shot is going to make you even more hateful and even give you the confidence that you were right all along and your hate is justified.


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    10 days ago

    This is very ironic, but not at all funny. While the irony may be satisfying, it isn’t going to improve things appreciably and reveling in it is not a healthy thing to do.

    If you laugh at someone getting shot because they supported gun violence, then you have just lowered yourself to their level and now everyone is just back to tribal violence.

    This isn’t even potentially as beneficial as the killing of someone like Brian Thompson, because you can at least make the argument that it might make CEOs think twice before systematically exploiting people for profit. As ironic as it may be, this is not going to move the needle in a positive direction or change anyone’s mind for the better.





  • We should keep in mind that thousands of people work at large corporations like Microsoft and many of them do not agree with company policy and positions, including people in senior roles.

    Scott Hanselman is a VP at Microsoft who has given some of the best presentations on AI from a social, ethical, and technical demonstration standpoint that I have seen. I have been spreading his NDC London talk around to everyone I can: https://youtu.be/kYUicaho5k8

    It is worth the watch.