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  • You went a bit left field with your comment but I have a few thoughts.

    ‘Atheist fundamentalist’ is a non-sequitor. Atheists aren’t a coalition or monolith with established beliefs or practices. They’re just people who don’t believe in god or a higher power or spirituality or whatever. They have no unifying dogma or ritual. There’s no cabal of atheists that decided that they know some secret truth, or that you are damned or cursed, or inherently lesser than, or deserve fewer rights because you believe. There are assholes out there, but the lack of organization is the key here.

    Comparing loud obnoxious atheists to organized, systemic, and core religious principles and groups is apples and oranges. Not to mention that the lack of belief is not ‘belief’.

    All that aside, I have never seen someone on a street corner with a bullhorn ‘preaching’ about non-belief. That’s not to say they don’t exist, I’m positive there are some obnoxious people that do it. But I have seen hundreds of Christians, Jews (certain sects, usually zionists), and people of other faiths on street corners, rest stops, and all other manner of places telling me I’m going to hell if I don’t join the club and conform. You’re presenting these as two equal problems when they’re not.

    Sure I don’t want anyone telling me what I should or shouldn’t believe, but there is a preponderance of evidence that you’ll be assaulted by one and not the other. It’s like being more concerned about being attacked by a shark than struck by lightning when you live in South Dakota. Will you ever go to the beach? Probably a few times in your life, but the likelihood of being attacked by a shark is infinitesimal compared to your risk of being struck by lightning. Let’s address the real issues in these conversations and not build straw men to defend the vile.


  • Not knowing fundamentalism lap blinds you to the fundamental realist nature of nearly all religion. At its base, it all has the same exclusivity that ultimately says ‘you’re not good enough and you need my secret to be good enough’. All the major religions are predicated on evangelizing and growing the fold. All of them. And all of them damn you when you don’t join.

    Knowing fundamentalism opens your eyes to the fact that every religious person, intentionally or not, looks down at you for not agreeing. They see themselves as superior because they found the secret. It’s inherent to the belief, even when the believer is a good person. I’ve known as many non-fundamentalist religious people as I’ve known fundies, and they’re all the same at their core. They are in, you are out. They are saved, you are damned. They are blessed, you are cursed. They are ‘us’, you are ‘other’.

    My problem was born of fundamentalism, but it showed me the fundamentalist nature of it all.




  • It’s hard to trust religious people. I grew up a fundie christian and nearly every Christian I’ve ever known has hurt me with their faith. Trusting religious people feels like repeating a trust fall with people who routinely decide not to catch you. And then people get mad at me for not wanting to engage anymore.

    Are all religious people bad? Of course not. Has my experience been one that has constantly affirmed that religious people, namely christians, cand be trusted? Absolutely. So what am I supposed to do in this case?