Well put.

Tracking everyone: American Companies 🤝 American Government

Americans 😐

Uh … Yes. Everyone has an innate survival instinct. Sure in what seems like a shitty situation, life might feel hopeless temporarily, but I’d bet you’ll eventually adapt and get over the initial shock. I’m not sure what you mean by proper, but to me it seems like proper is just shorthand for what is profitable, useful, or easy to people with power.

-50C !!! When did that happen?

IMO trying to make execution humane is kinda pointless. It is really just done to ease the guilt of those who participate and watch in it. If you participate in killing someone, you should feel guilty. That applies equally no matter if your carrying out a state-sanctioned murder or a street murder.

Of course. The problem is that when someone says one thing is another thing, that is not obviously metaphorical. Maybe you’d be able to tell in person but not through text where the message is monotonized and broadcasted to the entire internet.

Reminder that FBI was behind COINTELPRO, the organized attack on basically any left wing org in the country. And they continue to use very similar tactics to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

https://www.zinnedproject.org/if-we-knew-our-history/fbi-war-civil-rights-movement/

I agree with your general point that third party votes don’t matter nationally. This is kinda blunt, but you are making the false assumption that Party politicans are entitled to everyone’s votes. You can’t remove a vote that was never casted for a particular candidate.

“The rhetoric isn’t misleading.”

It is to me. A vote for an independent candidate does not in any way, shape, or form count as a vote for Trump. They are not the same thing.

It is a fact that a vote for an independent candidate is not tallied the same as a vote for trump. It is nonsense to say they are the same. It’s like saying a vote for Hawaiian pizza is a vote for Pepperoni Pizza. It is hokum.

I never advised anyone to vote for an independent candidate. I am simply correcting your misleading rhetoric.

Good advice on focusing locally for third parties.

A vote for an independent candidate is a vote for Trump.

No. It is a vote for an independent candidate.

They actually replaced the upvote and downvotes with hearts the other day. Did anybody else notice that? It was likely an A/B test for valentines day or some shit like that.

Sure you could easily argue that NH rules that they be first is stupid. And I agree with that, but it is also a bad look to take away that state’s say in the process for that reason. If your state political party said your votes don’t count and we are ignoring them, wouldn’t you get kind of perturbed? The people of NH have little to no say in what their legislature does. It’s not really fair to them that their primary votes don’t count because the DNC said so.

That is a good humorous example of a first past the post voting system and it flaws. I like the bit where Bobby is a pigeon.

In any democratic zero-sum system, removing votes for one party passively enables another.

No, actually not in any democratic system. In our current first past the post voting system, it is applicable (minus the electoral college). But (ranked choice voting)RCV or (Score then Automatic Runoff)STAR based systems the outcome would likely be different in some cases. That scenario also ignore the most common scenario where people simply don’t vote. In your scenario, everyone is required to vote. In real life, of the 25 bobby votes some would sit out, some would vote third party and some would vote for a ‘major’ candidate like Biden or Trump.

Pasting the two definitions does not clarify what I was asking. You claim that they are two different things. In what way are they different to you?

No one is saying a person not voting is supporting anyone. They are saying that it helps another individual by doing so. And you yourself are saying so, when you admit that those individuals not voting are effecting the outcome of the election, and because they didn’t vote, it helped the individual they didn’t want to be elected to win the election.

Actually the OP explicitly said that. “Every single person who doesn’t vote for Joe Biden and could is supporting Donald Trump”

Once again, I agree with the main idea of the OP. It is their false claims that are embedded within it that I am challenging. I do agree that not voting in some cases is helping Trump. But saying it is a mathematical fact is misleading. There is nothing mathematical about it.

It’s ironic you say this when your entire argument is “they didn’t intend to support anyone so they aren’t helping anyone win.”

Nice strawman. I did not say that.

hmm, kinda seems like a personal attack. I wonder if the rules say anything about that.

The only reason you are calling it sea lioning is because it is massively downvoted. If this same discussion was upvoted you wouldn’t care.

Sea lioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Asking someone to explain their claim that I don’t know what I’m talking about is not a request for evidence. And I’m not feigning ignorance on this matter, I am explaining why the original claims in question were false.

In what way is it unreasonable for a state to set rules for a private organization? Especially one with a huge say in determining who gets into public office.

And you clearly have no idea what a mathematical proof is.

Sure you can, but what you can do is irrelevant. Even if you do it is guaranteed not to have a say nationally because of our first past the post voting system locks out any competition. You have 2 meaningful choices, anything else is locked out by our voting system and rendered non meaningful.

But more than 80% of the Americans have little to no say in how the government works. There’s a Princeton study that 90%+ of Americans have little or no impact on US Policy. It’s very much a cop out to blame Americans at large because it minimizes the harsh fact that money and the people who use it are what influences our system.