We’ll they said they only scanned stuff that would have allowed them implicitly, now did they really respect that? Their ‘‘stack’’ is public, so people can review it. It’s opensource, people can audit it at least.

The big giants can lift whatever they want from Github and we wouldn’t have the means to prove it. I’m sure Microsoft is using private repos as they like. It’s not a coincidence that Copilot was one of the earlier coding LLMs.

Yeah, they aren’t supposed to scrape that stuff. That’s kind of where I’m wondering if they limited their collections.

Yeah, its a strategy when you want someone to understand something they clearly haven’t. You restate it in different words. You may have addressed it, that doesn’t mean you understood my position. I don’t mean that to sound bitchy btw. 😅 We just chatting. We cool. 👉 👉

I always wondered how much impact that has on interactions. It’s like road rage, people in cars are just way more aggressive than someone you meet on foot or even on a bike. You’ll never see people argue irl like they do online… but I still wonder how to avoid that overall and keep things positive?

Yeah, questions are always less confrontational. It’s also a good equalizer, especially if you show you aren’t scared to appear foolish. Puts people at ease I think. Gives them the space to explain their thinking rather than defend themselves.

Bitchin other people for no reason is a great bonding experience. lol

Something tells me, this will be an ongoing theme in the comments. Let’s all do our best! :)

I’m inspired to start tonight. I have 3-4 boxes of unfinished killteams and 2 unpainted teams + a few TTCombat kits. Two years of slow crawling.

You’re just refusing to engage with point. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Would you find it acceptable if their claims at face value were true?

Oh I have been doing that! Why did you say it would work for me? Are you out to get me? All these comments are the same. UGH! I should have known it all came down to this one thing. I don’t understand why people struggle with this. I’ll keep doing the same then.

/s lol

Why are you assuming I am excusing their behaviour?

We’d have an even bigger RAM shortage if so.

Sure but you moved the goalpost from ‘‘they weren’t allowed’’ to “they aren’t being honest”. There’s people in this thread who are in the repos, so we can find that out without assuming.

Also, at least their model is opensource and can easily be selfhosted on consumer hardware. Helps with your datacenter point from earlier. Like if this project does what it says its supposed to do, it’s genuinely interesting. If they are pushing the boundaries of permissive licensing then yeah that is really concerning.

So they scrapped stuff that wasn’t permissive? Interesting… though not really surprising.

Their claim was they followed the licenses and only used code they were implicitly allowed to use. I’d like to see if that was just astroturf and bullshit.

Honestly, though this is one of the reasons why people prefer copyleft and avoid permissive licenses, because yeah anyone can profit monetarily off your work otherwise.

I do not believe a permissive license has any notion of consent. You can’t stop someone from forking your code as long as they follow the rules of the license, like crediting you.

Even in GPL, you can’t stop someone from using your code, see Gnome’s recent arguements with Mint over their usage of an old version of their Calender app.

Others in the thread have mentioned we’ll see permissive licenses with exceptions for Ai in the near future. It’s a solution because that door is currently open.

But if it’s permissively licenced, couldn’t I just copy bits and pieces for my own project without asking?

Like I understand asking is always better and an opt in process for “the stack” or wtv would have been better received. Nevertheless, did they really have a legal obligation, rather than moral obligation, to ask given how this is licensed?

Taking GPL code would be a different situation right? They would have to also include it in their model creation… which theoretically they just could.

In theory, it’s all supposed to be permissively licenced code and the opt out is more than other models give. I saw Starcoder as one of the more ethical models. I thought the underlying principals to be fair at least.

I’m interested in this gut hostility to it regardless. Kind of shows how you can’t present LLMs in a positive angle no matter what. They shouldn’t be using anything GPL or similar.