Yeah, but who wasn’t doing that to the Philippines? I mean the US was definitely doing that.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-told-philippines-it-made-missteps-secret-anti-vax-propaganda-effort-2024-07-26/

Probably. It’s hard to say since so much is behind the veil. In fact it’s likely China has its own DUV lithography supply. US estimates on what China can produced based on number of asml units sold is wildly wrong.

I don’t think you realize it, but your proving my point. I never said no Huawei chips would be sold. I said China wants to reach criticality with it’s users. With Huawei chips being more expensive and less capable, the big boys won’t buy Huawei. And the secondary market doesn’t matter to the big boys who will get it at MSRP because orders always go to them first. Since they have the most users and will have the most exposure for stress testing.

The last thing China wants is for Huawei to only sell to smaller companies and start ups where it’s entirely possible there will be no users and money wasted. That’s why the new law only targets the major companies.

*Edit on that point I’m going to predict the future now. In a few months we’re going to see an article saying China has bought record amounts of H20s and NVIDIA’s stocks are going to go up again. This is because the smaller companies are still going to be buying and at MSRP because the big boys can’t.

The problem is the Chinese chips are not cheaper. Huawei’s 910c is about 30% slower and 1/3 more expensive. Add on top of that a lack of software, without government force, who would buy it?

You’re right about that, BUT I’d argue that’s all small potatoes. If no one develops on Chinese chips, then they’ll never actually be competitive. The only way for China to push ahead in any capacity, or even to catch up is to have thousands of users on their chipsets.

Let’s look at the MooreThreads MTT80. When it started it was performing like a 2017 GPU GT1030. They did 0 hardware upgrades. I will repeat that 0 hardware upgrades. But today, it’s able to run the domestic game Black Myth WuKong at 4k at 40 fps. Yes I realize that means it stutters, but with no hardware changes they were able to make a fairly demanding modern game playable. What this has rang through out China I am sure is, China has to do everything on earth to fix their software. If that means banning NVIDIA, so be it.

Exactly right! This why China is banning the chips. They caught up in hardware and now need to catch up in software. If they continue to allow people to use NVIDIA chips, then their software will never progress as they won’t have users to optimize them.

Probably that’s because that’s exactly what this is? They’re watching a parade having a beer. What did we expect?

Of course not? If they gave you that impression then you would pry. As I said, it’s pretty universal at this point. No mind reading needed. The fact that you were trying to do exactly what they’re trying to avoid is hilarious to me.

This is a tier 4 city in China. Which is far down the development ladder and considered poor.

https://youtu.be/kZon-AlmJbM

The vast majority of Chinese live in cities like this or better. Saying that there are still poor villages, well I give you this

https://youtu.be/fI30F0Vt88E

Kensington Philadelphia is so drug infested people walk around like zombies. Does China have poor areas like that? Actually no, even the poorest villages aren’t that bad.

They refuse to offer criticism to you, they will criticize the CCP constantly amongst themselves. They’ve sadly learned right or wrong that westerners are always trying to make China look bad. It’s largely from western news like BBC. Just look up the phrase China, but at what cost. The most hilarious one I read was China is curing cancer fast, but at what cost.

Is it stupid? I just showed you that even when people from other countries tell you their views, you immediately jumped into a rant about MAGA. That I was against you and talking about another American view point. You were completely unable to see what I was actually talking about.

Edit. I really hope you see the irony here. You came at me saying I’m stupid and only saw in binary. Now you see my view point is outside your binary so completely that you couldn’t even fathom it and called it obtuse. But obtuse ideas outside the binary are exactly how we should start thinking. Your proving my point, hard.

My post, the one you replied to is about America will collapse because they closed their eyes to the world. You’re trying to disprove me by showing me just how hard you keep your eyes closed?

Let’s keep this to one thread. I’m not American. I am saying Americans can only see their own politics. You’ve proven that like a siren.

It’s funny, I’m not American. My post was about how Americans can’t see past their own internal arguments and have closed their eyes to the world. I was talking about seeing the world and the agreements being created outside of American influence like the Chinese led peace agreement between Iran and Saudi. And you come up at me with how MAGA is bad. Sure I agree, but you totally missed the point in exactly the way I knew you would miss it.

Peace between Saudi and Iran that’s saving millions of brown lives is stupid? I see, you like genocide.

I didn’t say empathy. I said you need to stop attacking them and look for mutually beneficial solutions and then get those who can understand on board. Just attacking them simply divides.

I am empathizing with the brown people and want more peace agreements like the one Iran and Saudis have.

That’s not what I asked about or was talking about. Stop looking from it from your countries point of view. Why isn’t Iran accepting nukes from N.Korea. Why isn’t the agreement falling apart with Saudi Arabia like Biden’s administration said it would. Nothing you said explains in the slightest what I am talking about.

Edit why are you so caught up with your countries divisions that you can’t talk about the great peace that now exists between the blood rivalry of Iran and Saudi. Why not talk about a solution that is saving millions of brown people?

Dismissal without critical thinking also creates division. Yet more proof people aren’t willing to think or talk.

Exactly. Yet only focus people give are on the more delusional ones. That’s the problem. No one cares or talks about the more tactical political thinking about it. They just talk about rape or women being more traditional. It doesn’t matter which side. They only care about division.