When the entire state is in on genocide, it’s a little difficult to punish millions of people… then again, maybe the war and it’s destruction was punishment enough.
While understandable from a pragmatic standpoint (what do when everyone was in more or less?) Germany still struggles with this old Nazi-coteries in vital bodies of the state, like judiciary, the Verfassungsschutz, police and the military.
What pains me most - not only in Germany - is that everybody acts as there cannot be any Nazis as they were defeated in 1945.
Quite on the contrary, it is evident today that the fight against fascism is a constant and deliberate effort of any free and democratic country.
I see the necessity in the moment and I do not blame the original set-up of the federal structures by the allied forces. In fact they were expertly carved out to on the one hand minimise the chances of a second “Hitler” while on the other hand maximise governmental and economic efficacy.
My point is rather that we must not underestimate the long term influence these people and their ideology exert. They may not have been the top devision makers, but over time they will attract likeminded people and foster parallel structures. If not actively managed/eliminated they will, on the long run, try to employ the same tactics again in order to come to power. And this is, what we see today in many western countries, not only Germany.
I see the necessity in the moment and I do not blame the original set-up of the federal structures by the allied forces. In fact they were expertly carved out to on the one hand minimise the chances of a second “Hitler” while on the other hand maximise governmental and economic efficacy.
My point is rather that we must not underestimate the long term influence these people and their ideology exert. They may not have been the top decision makers, but over time they will attract likeminded people and foster parallel structures. If not actively managed/eliminated they will, on the long run, try to employ the same tactics again in order to come to power. And this is what we see today in many western countries, not only Germany.
Oh yeah absolutely, my point is that those legacies are a result of the right process not being applied thoroughly enough.
When you track modern legacies of systemic racism in western Europe you’ll usually be able to track it back to a collaborator or Nazi officer who slipped through the cracks. The brutality of the modern French national police being a key example.
You could do something similar with the US, as modern legacies of systemic racism often track back to confederates and confederate sympathizers, or important figures within especially bad administrations like the Jackson Admin, the Wilson Admin, the Reagan Admin, and the Nixon Admin.
Wilson in particular I hold responsible for the sheer scope of America’s foreign policy atrocities and failures, he was the one who coined the infamous world police narrative when he didn’t want to look like a flip flopper joining WWI after being against it. You can draw a straight line from Afghanistan and Iraq all the way back to that shitbag’s bad decision making.
What? We’ve been saying for years how the republican party turned into nazis and in germany there’s “einzelfälle” which is being mentioned everytime nazis in authority positions happen to do anything illegal.
The f-ing AFD is almost winning a spot in german politics.
Who said nazis dont exist anymore? US Americans in 1995?
That is the thing with these „Einzelfälle“: Germany is deliberately turning two blind eyes to structural racism and fascism even though it is more than evident by now there are large parts of legislative, jurisdictional and executive bodies that not only sympathise with right-wing ideas but full on support nazi politics.
I appreciate Mrs. Faeser’s recent crack-downs against neo-nazi groups, but this were only the most extreme excrescences. What’s happening f.i. inside Hesse’s state police, once again an “Einzelfall” as uncovered by Jan Böhmerman’s team, is exemplary.
Other groups may act more cautiously but they are letting their hair down more and more. Just look at how the rhetoric of the CDU leadership changed in regard of the AfD!
The Morgenthau Plan was a proposal to weaken Germany following World War II by eliminating its arms industry and removing or destroying other key industries basic to military strength. This included the removal or destruction of all industrial plants and equipment in the Ruhr. It was first proposed by United States Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr. in a 1944 memorandum entitled Suggested Post-Surrender Program for Germany.[1]
That would’ve just crippled the economy and not done much about the Nazis…?
For the Versailles treaty, we punished them enough to piss them off but not enough to stop them from doing something about it. Didn’t help that we didn’t stop them from demilitarizing and such.
Hitler wouldnt have cared if ther versailles treaty was even worse and forbid any form of militarization.
The versailles treaty was bullshit anyways and caused Hitler.
Wait till you learn about who reinstated jurisdiction, police force, many federal offices, the Bundeswehr, in Germany after WW2….
When the entire state is in on genocide, it’s a little difficult to punish millions of people… then again, maybe the war and it’s destruction was punishment enough.
While understandable from a pragmatic standpoint (what do when everyone was in more or less?) Germany still struggles with this old Nazi-coteries in vital bodies of the state, like judiciary, the Verfassungsschutz, police and the military.
What pains me most - not only in Germany - is that everybody acts as there cannot be any Nazis as they were defeated in 1945. Quite on the contrary, it is evident today that the fight against fascism is a constant and deliberate effort of any free and democratic country.
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I see the necessity in the moment and I do not blame the original set-up of the federal structures by the allied forces. In fact they were expertly carved out to on the one hand minimise the chances of a second “Hitler” while on the other hand maximise governmental and economic efficacy.
My point is rather that we must not underestimate the long term influence these people and their ideology exert. They may not have been the top devision makers, but over time they will attract likeminded people and foster parallel structures. If not actively managed/eliminated they will, on the long run, try to employ the same tactics again in order to come to power. And this is, what we see today in many western countries, not only Germany.
I see the necessity in the moment and I do not blame the original set-up of the federal structures by the allied forces. In fact they were expertly carved out to on the one hand minimise the chances of a second “Hitler” while on the other hand maximise governmental and economic efficacy.
My point is rather that we must not underestimate the long term influence these people and their ideology exert. They may not have been the top decision makers, but over time they will attract likeminded people and foster parallel structures. If not actively managed/eliminated they will, on the long run, try to employ the same tactics again in order to come to power. And this is what we see today in many western countries, not only Germany.
Oh yeah absolutely, my point is that those legacies are a result of the right process not being applied thoroughly enough.
When you track modern legacies of systemic racism in western Europe you’ll usually be able to track it back to a collaborator or Nazi officer who slipped through the cracks. The brutality of the modern French national police being a key example.
You could do something similar with the US, as modern legacies of systemic racism often track back to confederates and confederate sympathizers, or important figures within especially bad administrations like the Jackson Admin, the Wilson Admin, the Reagan Admin, and the Nixon Admin.
Wilson in particular I hold responsible for the sheer scope of America’s foreign policy atrocities and failures, he was the one who coined the infamous world police narrative when he didn’t want to look like a flip flopper joining WWI after being against it. You can draw a straight line from Afghanistan and Iraq all the way back to that shitbag’s bad decision making.
What I‘ve always wished for in Germany: a new and permanent de-nazifcation office. Let me dream…
What? We’ve been saying for years how the republican party turned into nazis and in germany there’s “einzelfälle” which is being mentioned everytime nazis in authority positions happen to do anything illegal.
The f-ing AFD is almost winning a spot in german politics.
Who said nazis dont exist anymore? US Americans in 1995?
That is the thing with these „Einzelfälle“: Germany is deliberately turning two blind eyes to structural racism and fascism even though it is more than evident by now there are large parts of legislative, jurisdictional and executive bodies that not only sympathise with right-wing ideas but full on support nazi politics.
I appreciate Mrs. Faeser’s recent crack-downs against neo-nazi groups, but this were only the most extreme excrescences. What’s happening f.i. inside Hesse’s state police, once again an “Einzelfall” as uncovered by Jan Böhmerman’s team, is exemplary.
Other groups may act more cautiously but they are letting their hair down more and more. Just look at how the rhetoric of the CDU leadership changed in regard of the AfD!
If only we enacted the Morgenthau Plan😔
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That would’ve just crippled the economy and not done much about the Nazis…?
Yeah isn’t that kinda like what happened after World War One, which directly led to Hitler’s rise to power?
For the Versailles treaty, we punished them enough to piss them off but not enough to stop them from doing something about it. Didn’t help that we didn’t stop them from demilitarizing and such.
Punished for what?
For their acts and role in WW1.
Hitler wouldnt have cared if ther versailles treaty was even worse and forbid any form of militarization.
The versailles treaty was bullshit anyways and caused Hitler.
Exactly. Completely deindustrialized Germany and make it an agrarian nation again.
With those Nazis still in power. Which helps exactly no one, except the Nazis.
That worked so well for the DDR
And it had to be that way. That was the clever part. Also, the war with the Soviets was already underway, and still is.
In deed. I believe the “Wirtschaftswunder” would not have been possible otherwise.