That’s what everyone says “Times were different then”. Bullshit, everybody were so happy to accept nazi scientists and pardon them for their crimes just as long as they got their tech. It’s horrible to see Nazi apologism here on Lemmy, go back to Reddit! I don’t know why the admins allow shit like this to be posted.
The thing that kind of sucks about lemmy is there isn’t really any protection against fascists on the site. One of the reasons it took me so long to get off reddit is because there you have access to tools that let you see if someone you’re interacting with is an overt and open fascist, but nothing like that really exists here. In fact, it’s even worse here because the fascists will aggressively downvote to the point where anything directly calling out white supremacy gets absolutely slammed. Now you have a bunch of reddit frogs coming over here and the only real hint that they’re going to cause trouble is if their username ends in @lemmy.world or @feddit.de
The domain block is a bare minimum, I never want the displeasure of having to deal with a feddit,de poster ever again. Another thing they need to do is make votes public so I can clean house of people upvoting blatantly abusive comments or partaking in downvote harassment. Third they need to add tagging and user-level vote counts so you can identify known trolls without needing to commit their usernames to memory. Those three changes would go a long way in fixing a lot of the biggest problems with lemmy as a whole.
EDIT: And blocking a user shouldn’t delete them completely from your client but rather hide them. That way you can follow their comment streams looking for people supporting them and wipe them out in the process. The current system gives every comment below the original carte blanche to say whatever and there’s fuck all you can do about it because as far as you know, they don’t even exist.
The purpose of blocking is to give you control over shit you see or as Hasan put it, protecting your mental health. Besides, I have a policy for blocking so if someone gets taken out it’s always for a good reason. Usually harassment or fashposting. I actually like it when people call me out because i’m almost always wrong and being corrected is how you grow. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences so anyone coming at me with abuse is going to be unceremoniously prevented from sending any more.
lol blocking based on domainname is about as biased as it gets, aside from the usual suspects (lemmygrad, most of hexbear). especially naming feddit.de is complete bollocks, those guys don’t give an inch to the far right. lemmy.world is kind of a catch-all and resemble more of an average population, so there’s some good, some bad; if your that sensitive, you might wanna check if your social media consumption isn’t wearing on your mental health too much anyway.
Calling that one out by name because I go hard on the antifascism a lot and there’s a lot of weird germans from there who take umbrage to that. It’s one of those cases where the place itself doesn’t really deserve defederation but I also want absolutely nothing to do with them.
I think the admins have a responsibility to the community to block out these fascists and if an instance has a lot of them, block that. Reddit was never really a safe space for us trans people, but hopefully this place can be. Too bad you can’t report nazis to the police or I would have told everyone I know to do it.
The domain block is a bare minimum, I never want the displeasure of having to deal with a feddit,de poster ever again. Another thing they need to do is make votes public so I can clean house of people upvoting blatantly abusive comments or partaking in downvote harassment. Third they need to add tagging and user-level vote counts so you can identify known trolls without needing to commit their usernames to memory.
As far as I’m aware, this all exists on kbin, if still a little buggy - I’m able to block a whole domain, though that doesn’t quite work as expected (it blocks posts but not users as far as I can tell), voting activity is visible on posts and comments (though I think sometimes it can take time for votes to federate or something, occasionally I’ll see some people say a comment is being badly downvoted but I see no downvotes), and there is an option to tag users (but I’m not sure what you mean by user-level vote counts).
It definitely makes avoiding the scum a little easier.
That’s not what everybody says and the guy you’re replying to most certainly did not say.
He says it’s not black and white. You’re telling us that’s it’s very black and white. And you’re screaming to the admins to have him, this discussion removed. Only you can be right, is that it? Discussions, other viewpoints can not exist?
I don’t agree with that. Neither of those takes. It’s just not black and white. The world never was black or white. 0 or 1. Only code is binary in the end. And platforms like this exist to discuss, not to block.
The nuremberg trials where real. People got punished for their crimes. Sure, not everyone. That’s impossible. Some got away. And yes, some where worth more, to better society, alive then dead.
Is that a fascist take? I don’t know. To me it’s not. I’m just grateful my grandparents got through the aftermath of ww2. And I do know that was only possible because not everyone in government got executed for being nazi aligned during the war.
They had knowledge which was worth preserving. Knowledge about science, diplomacy or the ability to govern. Stuff like that was worth a lot: europe and the Pacific where in shambles. Cities destroyed. Industry leveled, infrastructure bombed to oblivion. That preserved knowledge has been used to speed up the rebuilding. Without it millions more would’ve died, suffered in the aftermath.
By the way, this discussion is only possible because of “nazi” tech. Our whole frikkin’ modern world is build on it. No Werner no rockets. No rockets no sattelites. No sattelites no Internet. Etc. Benz, volkswagen, BMW, Siemens, the list goes on and on. German (and Japanese) tech was and is everywhere.
Regarding your take on reddit : this place is a bigger echo chamber then I ever experienced over there. Which is a shame.
It stops discussions before they begin and lessen the interaction with the platform.
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That’s what everyone says “Times were different then”. Bullshit, everybody were so happy to accept nazi scientists and pardon them for their crimes just as long as they got their tech. It’s horrible to see Nazi apologism here on Lemmy, go back to Reddit! I don’t know why the admins allow shit like this to be posted.
The thing that kind of sucks about lemmy is there isn’t really any protection against fascists on the site. One of the reasons it took me so long to get off reddit is because there you have access to tools that let you see if someone you’re interacting with is an overt and open fascist, but nothing like that really exists here. In fact, it’s even worse here because the fascists will aggressively downvote to the point where anything directly calling out white supremacy gets absolutely slammed. Now you have a bunch of reddit frogs coming over here and the only real hint that they’re going to cause trouble is if their username ends in @lemmy.world or @feddit.de
The domain block is a bare minimum, I never want the displeasure of having to deal with a feddit,de poster ever again. Another thing they need to do is make votes public so I can clean house of people upvoting blatantly abusive comments or partaking in downvote harassment. Third they need to add tagging and user-level vote counts so you can identify known trolls without needing to commit their usernames to memory. Those three changes would go a long way in fixing a lot of the biggest problems with lemmy as a whole.
EDIT: And blocking a user shouldn’t delete them completely from your client but rather hide them. That way you can follow their comment streams looking for people supporting them and wipe them out in the process. The current system gives every comment below the original carte blanche to say whatever and there’s fuck all you can do about it because as far as you know, they don’t even exist.
Lol what a bunch of bullshit. Why do I always see tankies scare mongering people off lemmy.world?
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Checked comment history. Yup, tankie as fuck
13 upvotes, someone seriously needs to clear house.
The purpose of blocking is to protect oneself from harassment, not silence critics.
The purpose of blocking is to give you control over shit you see or as Hasan put it, protecting your mental health. Besides, I have a policy for blocking so if someone gets taken out it’s always for a good reason. Usually harassment or fashposting. I actually like it when people call me out because i’m almost always wrong and being corrected is how you grow. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences so anyone coming at me with abuse is going to be unceremoniously prevented from sending any more.
Ever heard about echo chambers?
I thought this was a discussion platform. Not a blocking platform. Blocking every feddit.de user is a very weird take.
“everybody (well, 90%) criticizing me are nazi’s.”
Yup.
lol blocking based on domainname is about as biased as it gets, aside from the usual suspects (lemmygrad, most of hexbear). especially naming feddit.de is complete bollocks, those guys don’t give an inch to the far right. lemmy.world is kind of a catch-all and resemble more of an average population, so there’s some good, some bad; if your that sensitive, you might wanna check if your social media consumption isn’t wearing on your mental health too much anyway.
Calling that one out by name because I go hard on the antifascism a lot and there’s a lot of weird germans from there who take umbrage to that. It’s one of those cases where the place itself doesn’t really deserve defederation but I also want absolutely nothing to do with them.
EDIT: Oof had me until the last bit ngl.
I think the admins have a responsibility to the community to block out these fascists and if an instance has a lot of them, block that. Reddit was never really a safe space for us trans people, but hopefully this place can be. Too bad you can’t report nazis to the police or I would have told everyone I know to do it.
As far as I’m aware, this all exists on kbin, if still a little buggy - I’m able to block a whole domain, though that doesn’t quite work as expected (it blocks posts but not users as far as I can tell), voting activity is visible on posts and comments (though I think sometimes it can take time for votes to federate or something, occasionally I’ll see some people say a comment is being badly downvoted but I see no downvotes), and there is an option to tag users (but I’m not sure what you mean by user-level vote counts).
It definitely makes avoiding the scum a little easier.
That’s not what everybody says and the guy you’re replying to most certainly did not say.
He says it’s not black and white. You’re telling us that’s it’s very black and white. And you’re screaming to the admins to have him, this discussion removed. Only you can be right, is that it? Discussions, other viewpoints can not exist?
I don’t agree with that. Neither of those takes. It’s just not black and white. The world never was black or white. 0 or 1. Only code is binary in the end. And platforms like this exist to discuss, not to block.
The nuremberg trials where real. People got punished for their crimes. Sure, not everyone. That’s impossible. Some got away. And yes, some where worth more, to better society, alive then dead.
Is that a fascist take? I don’t know. To me it’s not. I’m just grateful my grandparents got through the aftermath of ww2. And I do know that was only possible because not everyone in government got executed for being nazi aligned during the war.
They had knowledge which was worth preserving. Knowledge about science, diplomacy or the ability to govern. Stuff like that was worth a lot: europe and the Pacific where in shambles. Cities destroyed. Industry leveled, infrastructure bombed to oblivion. That preserved knowledge has been used to speed up the rebuilding. Without it millions more would’ve died, suffered in the aftermath.
By the way, this discussion is only possible because of “nazi” tech. Our whole frikkin’ modern world is build on it. No Werner no rockets. No rockets no sattelites. No sattelites no Internet. Etc. Benz, volkswagen, BMW, Siemens, the list goes on and on. German (and Japanese) tech was and is everywhere.
Regarding your take on reddit : this place is a bigger echo chamber then I ever experienced over there. Which is a shame. It stops discussions before they begin and lessen the interaction with the platform.
It speaks volumes about you that you think the only world that has tech is a Nazi world. Welcome to my blocklist.
So basically he went from being a Fascist Lapdog to being a Fascist Lapdog. Got it.