this is also true. but they also lacked direction and a national sense of self… right up until the last minute when Russia was about to swallow them and the jaws were closing.
If they had that sense 10 or 20 years earlier they’de be in a different situation. Russia’s actions are Russian/Commie imperialism 101… take an ethnically or politically divided state and
invade it. slowly. Maybe UKR will be better as a divided state. For some bizarre reason, the further south and east you go in EUR the more the Slavs in those regions love their mono-ethnic states, for some reason. Even to the degree of cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Something fundamentally warped about the Slavic mind.
The palestinians also did not have a national sense of self untill they were occupied for the better half of a century …
The german national identity needed Napoleon to really take of (and many more work Like that )
And ‘mono ethnic states’ was bog standart for emerging nationalnstates - it just took some.places longer to create a national state and the according nationalism - hardly anything specific about ‘the slavic mind’
What about “Palestinians” “occupied” “under the Turks” for 1200 years during the Ottoman Empire. The Era that immediately pre-dates the 20th century. No national consciousness to speak of for centuries when ruled by non-arab Turks who still consider Arabs to be lesser than Turks. Add a few non-muslim European-ish Jews to the land and suddenly Palis have a national consciousness where they never had one before? It seems to be forgotten that BOTH sides- Israeli AND Palestinians walked away from the UN plan in 1948. I guess they wanted to settle it themselves, out in the streets. Well, now after 80 years we see who is winning. It’s not fair to cry foul now. Both sides gave up that option back in 1948.
Well they had the downside of the russian army being at their borders and a massive russian speaking minority …
this is also true. but they also lacked direction and a national sense of self… right up until the last minute when Russia was about to swallow them and the jaws were closing. If they had that sense 10 or 20 years earlier they’de be in a different situation. Russia’s actions are Russian/Commie imperialism 101… take an ethnically or politically divided state and invade it. slowly. Maybe UKR will be better as a divided state. For some bizarre reason, the further south and east you go in EUR the more the Slavs in those regions love their mono-ethnic states, for some reason. Even to the degree of cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Something fundamentally warped about the Slavic mind.
The palestinians also did not have a national sense of self untill they were occupied for the better half of a century … The german national identity needed Napoleon to really take of (and many more work Like that )
And ‘mono ethnic states’ was bog standart for emerging nationalnstates - it just took some.places longer to create a national state and the according nationalism - hardly anything specific about ‘the slavic mind’
What about “Palestinians” “occupied” “under the Turks” for 1200 years during the Ottoman Empire. The Era that immediately pre-dates the 20th century. No national consciousness to speak of for centuries when ruled by non-arab Turks who still consider Arabs to be lesser than Turks. Add a few non-muslim European-ish Jews to the land and suddenly Palis have a national consciousness where they never had one before? It seems to be forgotten that BOTH sides- Israeli AND Palestinians walked away from the UN plan in 1948. I guess they wanted to settle it themselves, out in the streets. Well, now after 80 years we see who is winning. It’s not fair to cry foul now. Both sides gave up that option back in 1948.