I don’t like to see so many political posts in all and so many weird images in comment sections
What in the world have I woken up into…
As an Asian/Taiwanese, I do not understand why Hexbearians feel the need to point out what’s racist for us.
The picture of Xi the Pooh is clearly a parody and pointed specifically at Xi and the CCP, and not a general racist insult to Asians. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, in East Asia knows that, including the Chinese themselves. We use/refer to it a lot ourselves on our own social media platforms in Taiwan (習維尼, 習: Xi, and Winnie the Pooh: 維尼), and if you mention any of it on Chinese social media Weibo/WeChat, you likely will get banned from the platform.Kind of reminds me of cultural appropriation gone out of hand, where Westerners feel the need to be angry at other Westerners for wearing Japanese Kimonos or Chinese Quipaos. Like, no one here is offended. We don’t understand why those people feel the need to be angry for us.
Edit: I just saw a Hexbear comment on another thread posting that China doesn’t ban Winnie the Pooh because Disney is able to exist. Well, no shit. It’s in the context of Disney. Put that phrase in any other thread on their platform (preferably political) and see what happens, then can you claim that the CCP doesn’t ban the word Xi the Pooh.
Watch out, you’re Taiwanese so you don’t exist to those racism fighters 👍
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It’s called Whitesplaining and it’s actually in the dictionary.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whitesplain
“(of a white person) to comment on the minority experience or explain racism to a person of color in a condescending or blaming way…”
I think it’s a key giveaway that someone is a narcissist.
How dare you not let the, probably also white, tankies decide what is and is not racist towards you. /s i hope they all kick rocks
嗨，難得可以在 Lemmy 上遇到台灣人。相信我，我懂你的心情。我前幾天也被六熊們搞得很煩。什麼新疆人過得很好、習維尼迷因是種族歧視、台灣是中共領土等巴拉巴拉的。
我家外面風好大，雨也好大，你那邊呢？
It might not be racist in your areas, but I’ve absolutely seen a lot of people be racist with it in the US. A lot of are from there, so I’ll admit we have a perspective bias, but when a large majority of the people we seeing spreading it are from that racist, US grown, bloc of posters, it kind of primes a response to it.
Can’t you just accept when your wrong?!
Go back into you hole now.
Sure. But I don’t think it warrants that big of a response, when it’s clearly a parody of Winnie the Pooh, which is yellow itself. If Pooh was somehow white, black, or green, it would be depicted as that. It has nothing to do with yellow skin.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Winnie the Pooh was latched on to so well by Western audiences. The United States is a perennial winner in the racism olympics. Different crowds can draw connections on different parts of stuff.
Oh I’m quite aware that the US has some serious problems regarding racism. I think Winnie the Pooh is just too widely known, plus the Streisand Effect kicking in when it was known that they censor a cartoon bear, that had people just dunking on them with this meme.
It also doesn’t help when the Chinese are taught in school to love their party and country, view the party as their own parents and not question them, that they become such snowflakes when people criticise their government. It becomes pretty easy to trigger them with just a photo/keyword. Either they blow up in your face, or if it’s on China’s platform the mods will come an delete the post/comment and give out bans.
Founding Fathers
It also doesn’t help when the Chinese are taught in school to love their party and country, view the party as their own parents and not question them, that they become such snowflakes when people criticise their government. It becomes pretty easy to trigger them with just a photo/keyword. Either they blow up in your face, or if it’s on China’s platform the mods will come an delete the post/comment and give out bans.
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As an Asian/Taiwanese, I do not understand why Hexbearians feel the need to point out what’s racist for us.
You dont speak for billions of Chinese people. The fact that you chose to refer to Chinese people in the third person speaks to that.
Thank you for telling on yourself and your separatist friends for using racist memes in social media though.
You dont speak for billions of Chinese people.
You don’t either. Stop with your self imposed superiority.
You know who does speak for billions of Chinese people though? The guy you’re making a racist caricature of.
Saying it’s just one person is a thin excuse when it’s a head of state
I don’t understand why you feel the need to protect a head of state of another country from being parodied either. If you live in China where they teach you to obey the rules of the CCP, thank the CCP and Xi for everything they provide, and basically view Xi as a god, then yeah I can see why. But you live in a Democratic state. The government is supposed to serve YOU, not the other way around. Sure you can show the leader some respect if you want, but it doesn’t mean everyone has to either. You don’t live in China where you can’t even make jokes about their leader.
Again, its a parody of Pooh, which is yellow. It has nothing to do with having yellow skin. If Pooh somehow is white/green/pink, that pic would be white/green/pink. You claim that it’s racist against Asians in general, so I’m here to tell you as an Asian that it’s not.
I understand your need to reframe my objections to racist caricatures in general as being a defense of someone you’re trying to demonize with your racism. But if you weren’t being racist to asian people generally when you say it’s acceptable to do minstrel show level racism to the right targets, you’re certainly being racist towards Chinese people in general right now when you’re using this stereotype of them being hive minded and easily brainwashed.
in China where they teach you to obey the rules of the CCP, thank the CCP and Xi for everything they provide, and basically view Xi as a god
Sounds like Christian fundamentalists talking about Arabs.
I understand your need to reframe my objections to racist caricatures in general as being a defense of someone you’re trying to demonize with your racism.
Who the fuck am I being racist to? Asians? As an Asian myself?
you’re certainly being racist towards Chinese people in general right now when you’re using this stereotype of them being hive minded and easily brainwashed.
Nowhere have I said that. Them having that kind of education since a kid is a fact. And you clearly haven’t been on Chinese social media to see what bullshit the pinkies say on there.
Sounds like Christian fundamentalists talking about Arabs.
I can link you their textbooks if you want
Them having that kind of education since a kid is a fact.
No it isn’t. Prove it. Primary sources.
I’ve seen a Chinese history textbook for kids in high school and it’s just generic history using a Marxist lens and framing the CPC as the current administrative body. They list accomplishments of the party, yeah, but that’s because they have accomplishments they can point to.
It’s a lot better than how my American school tried to get me to worship slave owners like Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton.
No one cares that you’re Chinese and like the picture. It’s still racist.
Why do you think you get to ignore my perspective, and tell me what’s racist towards me? What makes you so special?
Hexbear: why do so many people want to degenerate with us
Also hexbear: Spams every complaint in other instances with unrelated images
They are so eager to prove themselves the assholes that people accuse them of being, and then they whine and cry about instances defederating from them.
I’m pretty sure the whole thing is a false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse. It seems a lot like a blend of bad leftist parody, and edgy 14-year-olds who fell for it
Sounds like r/chapotraphouse in a nutshell.
Also, I think TheDude was underselling why they were originally banned on Reddit. They were the left-wing version of r/TheDonald. The reason he listed was just the excuse Reddit used to justify kicking them off the platform
what the fuck does that even mean, “left wing version of /r/TheDonald”
like the donald but believing the exact opposite things?
like the donald but believing the exact opposite things?
Yes. I don’t get how you’re confused by that
that’s stupid, then, why would you bother to make a comment like that. Who gives a shit?
r/The_Donald was known for being a toxic cesspool that often went out to harass other subs. r/chapotraphouse did the same thing, they were just on the other side of the political spectrum. The rest of Reddit hated both because they were full of toxic brigading assholes, and if you can’t understand that then you’re beyond hope
This exactly. I swear the entire point is to discredit and divide. The FBI couldn’t do a better job if they tried. What I’ve been finding really interesting is the stress they put on being “anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-fascist, etc”. If you were really those things you would most definitely not need to shoehorn that into EVERY SINGLE COMMENT. “hey it’s a nice day outside, I’m anti-racist anti homophobic anti trans anti fascist btw” Mind you on reddit when chapotraphouse was popular there were a lot of them talking about how they HATE identity politics and basically dismissing anything to do with race. So the pronouns in the names, the constant non sequitors about how they’re actually “more anti-racist and anti-homophobic” than you, etc. It feels like it might just be really deep irony and they’re just memeing it.
No. I had an account when the instance was first set up, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a power-user. I wouldn’t say it’s always been like this, but this is definitely what it’s like normally.
We mutated out of a band of subreddit refugees from r/ChapoTrapHouse, but I feel like the current community doesn’t fully live up to what it used to be.
I think it was, by its nature, susceptible to compromise as described above, which has been capitalized upon. Whatever it was, or pretends to be, has pretty clearly been manipulated into a deliberately obnoxious parody that, functionally, obstructs left unity and overwhelmingly benefits neolibs.
Or, maybe, people just hold different beliefs to you.
“People” can engage in civil discourse to discuss those beliefs. That’s not what I’m seeing, what I’m seeing is immediate strawmanning, insults, and overall cartoonish disrespect. That’s not someone with a different belief, that’s someone presenting the most obnoxious possible parody of someone with that belief.
What’s funny is those beliefs aren’t even that different, I’m pretty far left. This is just hivemind soundbite nonsense.
Thinking people who disagree with you politically are bots or paid posters isn’t a healthy mindset to have.
I think they’re bots because I nearly exactly agree with them politically. They’re almost exactly my beliefs, but with the most annoying, self-righteous, groupthink presentation possible. That’s why I think they’re a false flag smear campaign to discredit actual leftists.
Hexbears should be sent to the gulag for being cringe
Make posting cringe a crime
Consider the self-flattery of assuming a community that existed in isolation for three years just to eventually make you look bad when they became federated again.
Maybe there is a real disagreement instead?
Then how come the interactions have been predominantly self-righteous name-calling? My issue isn’t with the political ideals, it’s with the presumptuous antagonism.
I doubt we agree of much. You reek of anarcho-natoism.
Hey look, another hexbear making baseless and incorrect assumptions about my political inclinations, even further proving my point! Keep your corporate shill false flag disinfo to yourself, please and thank you.
I don’t think you’re actually a communist. Not a real one at least.
See? This is exactly what I’m talking about. “Anyone who doesn’t believe exactly the same as me for exactly the same reasons with exactly the same presentation as me is a transphobic boot-licking liberal!”
You’ve had no political discourse with me by which to evaluate my political beliefs, but disagreeing with hexbear specifically is enough for you to assume I’m not a “real” communist. You see how this just proves my point, right?
I thought thinking people who disagree with you politically weren’t real communists wasn’t a healthy mindset to have?
This comment is the most “reddit liberal seeing real difference of opinion for the first time” thing I have ever seen.
I’m a leftist (not a liberal, actually leftist). It’s not a difference in opinion, it’s a presentation so outrageously bad it can’t be in good faith. It’s a middle-school mockery of communists, it just makes us look ridiculous to the people we should be engaging with sincerely.
hexbears are abrasive because we expect most liberals to be venomous and dismissive toward us and not listen to anything we say, even if we operate in good faith. so instead of wasting a lot of energy on a response that will be thrown back at us like dogshit, we’re flippant and cursory. for my part, I actually still respond in good faith most of the time, but I pick my battles.
So, the primary reason that happens, and the primary reason I’d vote defederation on them every time, is because their instance has down votes disabled for some forsaken reason. It’s not 100% the users fault, it’s because a comment is the only mode of response they have available for something they don’t agree with. So a negative image macro is their downvote. Due to this, they end up flooding other instances threads and only see a bunch of people who agree with the op of a thread or a post, which of course makes them feel like they need to show their displeasure way what’s been posted. Meanwhile we can see the 500 to 9.2k ratio on the racist hot take.
The way our instances are run is just fundamentally incompatible.
Hexbear: why do so many people want to removed with us
Where did you get this idea from? We know damn well why: you’re a bunch of coddled libs who are used to the reddit admins protecting you from seeing any views outside the USA overton windows, and you’re now freaking out at seeing real difference of opinion.
I’m well aware how fucked up the US is. It created al-qaeda. Hell, this is some crazy secret knowledge you can’t learn anywhere, it’s on Wikipedia.
Also a hot take, I don’t like the war in Ukraine. I don’t think it should be happening and I wish it would end because I think war fucking sucks.
Believe it or not, the world is a complex place filled with a lot of countries that do lots of things, both good and bad, and it’s not cool or edgy to just say the US is bad and [insert other country here] is good. Hell, you realize one of the most influential forces in the Chinese government (and a huge influence in the west) is Tencent, a massive profit-focused cooperation. That ain’t communist.
Looks like you replied to the wrong post.
how dare we be obnoxious to the virulent homophobes and transphobes that have been coming out of the woodwork
silence anime girl
lol fuck you nato goat
(posted from a country that uses the same arms)
Yeah I’m in the US, it’s a fucking shithole, I don’t need to read burger opinions online too
awww, where you gonna go instead? To another Western country?
not even sure what you’re trying to say here, when did I say I was leaving? I certainly don’t have the money for that, you people are so fucking divorced from reality
Don’t listen to hexbear users when they say they “defend themselves” from homophobia and transphobia. One user thought the admin of Blahaj.zone was being transphobic for not allowing politics in every community. Hexbear users will literally just lie about the repamant amount of homophobia and transphobia to justify their existence here.
Mind that the two admins of Blahaj.zone are trans women, which makes it extra ridiculous.
That whole thing was a shit show and I somehow was able to stumble across each and every single part of it as it happened.
It all happened merely days after hexbear said Blahaj was somehow not safe for their LGBT members, so then having those new accounts pull this was so obvious as where could the users came from.
Umm… They lie about everything actually.
So you’ve moved onto the “straight up lying” phase of cope.
I can’t tell if this is elaborate trolling or you’re just a completely unhinged person from what I’ve seen in these comments…
You genuinely don’t understand the issues at all.
Feel free to parrot your army of derpy Lemmy.world bros
Projection.
Going to be real, that’s not what happened. They had a mod in a large community there, that was a chaser, and that was misgendering people. They wouldn’t remove them, so we left. We’ve got a large amount of trans people on our instance and mod team, so we didn’t want to be exposed to that.
I made a post like this on my old instance’s main community and it got flooded by 400+ hexbear comments telling me how stupid I am. No, the only real solution is to make a new account on an instance that’s defederated. Good luck.
What instances would you recommend? I don’t really want to leave mine since I’ve been on it for awhile but if it gets too annoying I might want to
Blahaj.zone is defederated (hexbear did it first surprisingly). It’s a very LGBTQ+ oriented place so I’m not sure it’s your cup of tea
It seems like a very nice place, I’ll be sure to check it out some more
I find that interesting because i am banned from blahaj for being a conservative but hexbears swear im a white liberal. I would have thought hexbears and blahaj would get along nicely
When they call you a liberal, they’re referring to the classical meaning of the term rather than the newer definitions.
I think you’re giving them too much credit. They’re just trolling and being very annoying.
If you don’t want to move instances, you can probably reduce 99% of annoying Hexbear shitposts by blocking just 3 communities:
They’re by far the noisiest, in my experience.
any time i see a weird gif reaction i just block.
it gets repetitive, but that’s the way it is for now.
at some point i might just move away from shitjustworks to an instance that actually cares.
I would love to block that trash completely. Every interaction I’ve had with any of them and their posts has just given me the impression they are just trolls and nothing else. If anyone truly thinks they are leftists, I question your definition of left. They can go and stay in their little instance and show all the bullshit and talk all the nonsense they want to.
I don’t understand why blocking (or “defederating”) instances is such a core part of the design of lemmy but not actually supported on a per-user basis.
Defederating is core to the fediverse. Lemmy just uses a shared protocol to exchange content. And as others have said, Kbin has instancr blocking, community/magazine blocking, and user blocking. You could just create an account on a Kbin instance if it’s important enough. You still get to see the same things.
Kbin has instance blocking, community/magazine blocking, and user blocking.
Kbin doesn’t have instance blocking yet, just domain blocking, which is for hiding posts that link to a particular domain. Domain blocking is also bugged right now, and will just hide random stuff from you.
I mean, if you want to get technical, none of them have any blocking really. Blocking on any fediverse is generally just the equivalent of muting/hiding.
Wasn’t aware of the bug though (as I haven’t tried the feature yet, but probably wouldn’t have a way to notice anyway).
It is a very popular feature request. Not generally being able to block instances. Specifically blocking hexbear.
No. It’s a popular ask regardless of the instance. People have been asking for it since before hexbear was federated. Stop making shit up
Yeah I think it’s about time to get that feature. As a user I have preferences that don’t necessarily match with the defederation policies of any instance and I would very much like to choose for myself which instances I want to see.
In my case: I’m not interested in polarising, divisive, toxic content and I really don’t care if it’s coming from the left or from the right. But it seems to me that I have to choose a side, because some instances are blocking the right wing extremism and some blocking the stuff to the left, but not both.
Reading subscribed communities only is not an option, because then I will miss out on new stuff. And blocking all these awful communities in “all” by hand is too much work.
tl;dr not being able to block instances as a user is giving me a bad Lemmy experience
Let this man enjoy his yellow scare cartoons in peace god damn you all
Wait until they figure out literally any content is politics
Noooo my completely apolitical little tv shows and vidya gayms ):
Half of all is hexbear posts for me now and I don’t like those posts very much
The biggest and best get all the hate.
“the worst and loudest”
Theres no way yet, suposedly the devs are planing to give that option in the future.
Right now im just not loging into lemmy as much as before, the ambience became way more toxic than the first 2 or 3 months i started using it, and i believe its beacause of hexbearians. Lots of bad takes (pariculary genocide apologism) have been thriving on lemmy since they refederated, whuch was ussually trashed before, so i say they are behind that. And when they have more sane takes, they screw them up by telling you to go read Mao, seriously, Mr “Best politics are the ones that come from a barrel of gun” Mao. He was a fucking thug not a great mind of comunism.
I even re-made an account on reddit ffs, and reddit fucking sucks because my comments get ignored into oblivion no mather where i comment, and its not shadowbaning i think.
So my recomendation is try going somewhere else while the option of blocking instances becomes availabe or touch some grass, although grass sucks since it doesnt fight back when asked about politics and it becomes really old very quickly.
Why not join another instance that blocks hexbear? I mean that is the advantage of Lemmy, isn’t it
Because i like shit just works and i like that it isnt that heavy on defedration with other instances, but thats probably gonna change soon since it seems we are holding votes to defederate from hexbear.
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As a stop gap, I’ve just blocked all their communities.
You say that like you were assailed when you were down in the posting trenches concern trolling for hours
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I love the idea of ditching Reddit, a site owned by a for-profit corporation and run by unaccountable admins, for a decentralized alternative where people have more choice and power over their own content…
…but why do people have to make it so political?
You should ask your fellow hexbear comrades why they turn everything to politics and Chinese/Russian propaganda 🤷 Heck the main community on your side of the verse is basically Shit Reddit Says with an alt-left political twist!
“alt left” you are a clown. Remove the worms from your brain
Not my fault you’re the equivalent of the alt-right but on the left side and you give actual socialists a bad rep 🤷
What do we have in common with the alt-right, besides liking guns?
Everywhere that communism and fascism have come into contact, they have instantly been in violent opposition to each other.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you say “actual socialists”. What is your model of socialism? What are some “actual socialists” and how do they differ from the people Hexbear celebrates?
Words mean nothing to liberals whenever it’s convenient. Sometimes words go from having meaning to none in the same sentence.
the equivalent of the alt-right but on the left side
“Why can’t we kill half the trans!”
- a nuanced centrist.
Socialism is when the government does things.
I moved here because they took away Apollo and I really liked Apollo. It wasn’t a political decision
They prevented a service through which the users would use it, and the users had no say in it, and ended up having less functionality? Maybe it’s a problem when users can’t have self-determination. I’m glad there’s something that could be done about that.
It’s just a question of how we relate to and use online resources, and who has the power over online communities. That’s not political at all… or is it?
Everything is political. Nobody wants to talk to you about socialism.
