• No1@aussie.zone
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    It’s bad enough shit like this happens overseas. It’s even worse that this can happen here, literally on the other side of the world.

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      Well it happens in Sydney, and to a lesser extent Melbourne. It does frustrate me a bit that these things get framed as Australian issues when they’re often not.

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          Look through the list of terrorist attacks (successful and prevented) in Australia, you’ll consistently see the same two cities coming up. It is hysterical and/or arrogant to immediately frame this as a national issue when it’s just simply not. Australia is not mono-cultural, we shouldn’t be extrapolating out from two cities and pretending the other ~60% of the population suddenly has something to fear.

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              Did you not read the page you linked?.Most of the incidents are in Sydney or Melbourne or their outer suburbs/districts. And yes, bigger cities tend to have higher reports of terrorism. That is entirely consistent with the point I am making here.

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                You literally claimed this can’t be a national problem because baawww two states.

                Those two states hold the majority of the population of the nation. Hell, their individual capital cities alone hold about double the entirety of WA. Combined, they make up over half the country - as in nearly 60% of our entire population. What friggin’ metric do you need for something to be considered national?

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                  Sydney + Melbourne is closer to 40% of the nation’s population. Not really sure why you’re talking about states, that’s a complete strawman on your part.

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    Horrific. This is horrible, I hope the ambulance are able to help all the wounded. It’s important that we do what we can, as a community, to help support those affected.

    The heroic response from those around, including citizens and the police, probably saved many lives, and it’s important that we recognise their courage.

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    Fucking pussy little cunts, I hope that one in hospital survives so we can send him to our worst prison where he can live his life getting fucking beat the living fuck out of like the cowardly little bitch cunt he is… the other one is dead, good fucking riddance.

    God I hope he survives so he can face the Consequences of being a bitch cunt.

    Lock him in a cell with some of our worst criminals and leave them be, Ohh after telling them what he did of course.

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    But that’s impossible! Guns are illegal in Australia! Everybody knows, once you ban all the guns, that immediately and permanently stops all gun violence from happening, ever!

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      It’s highly likely the guy.being hailed a hero for disarming one of the terrorists is Muslim.

      Eat shit racist prick.

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        LOLOLOLOL. You are the one bringing islam to the discussion and projecting what you think about it but without the guts to say it.

        being hailed a hero for disarming one of the terrorists is Muslim.

        Here is your contradiction.

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            Figure it out. The same way you wouldn’t waste your time arguing with flat earthers, I’m not going to waste my time discussing with whahabis. Both types of people are dumb and nothing i’ll say will change their minds.

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              Too cowardly to just openly say what you’re trying to imply? You’re already very openly bigoted, just explain the contradiction you’re trying to point to. Say it plainly, and without trying to weasel around it.

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                  So you say it’s irrelevant who saved who, in a conversation directly related to somebody stopping a shooter, then sarcastically call Islam a religion of peace when saying the shooters were Muslim “yet again”, then accuse me of banning people which I don’t do? What are you on about? You need to get your head checked mate.

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      Also if they weren’t being fed antisemitic propaganda by the Israeli government and its supporters, conflating the nation-state currently committing genocide with an ethnoreligious group, in a deliberate attempt to cause exactly this sort of thing to happen.

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        It’s all Biden’s fault . If Biden didn’t falsely imprison all the Jan 6 freedom fighters and let in terrorists at the borders Trump wouldn’t have to have ICE

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          What’s the excuse? It’s just a fact. Israel and it’s supporters deliberately conflate the nation of Israel with the religion. That part is undeniable.

          If you’re being charitable, it’s because it allows them to brush off criticism of their genocide and apartheid state as being “antisemitic”. If you’re less charitable towards Israel’s government and supporters, it’s that, plus it has the added “bonus” of inflaming the kinds of actual antisemitism that help drive support for Israel’s cause.

          The irony being of course that Israel’s own stance is itself antisemitic, and as such it is the world’s number one source of antisemitism.

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            They were not killed for being Israeli, because they weren’t Israeli, they were Australian. They were killed because they were Jews. Obviously.

            You’re making excuses for it and desperately trying to blame the victims because that’s what antisemites do.

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              I think that’s their point - the Zionist movement intentionally tries to conflate Israel with Jewish people and with Judaism. For example, criticism of the country Israel and pro-Palestinean actions have generally been framed by Zionist groups as an attack on Jewish people, rather than an attack on a country and its actions.

              This uses Jewish people as a shield for the actions of Zionism, and encourages antisemitism as a result. When some mass media news, social media influencers and racist agitators (e.g. neo-Nazis) all try to associate regular Jewish locals with the atrocities of Israel, this scapegoating puts all Jewish people (even those who are anti-Israel) in danger of indiscriminate attack.

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              No, they were killed because the murderers fell for the Israeli antisemitic lie. The idea that all actions of Israel are necessarily representative of all Jews. The same lie that you are spreading here by assuming that because the victims were Jews, and because I put a portion of the blame on Israel, I must be blaming the victims. Even though the victims’ position on Israel is not known.

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              Hard to know what these cunts we’re thinking. But we can guess that with their nutty religious perspective, they see everything in terms of religion. The U.S. is a Christian power that enables Israel. So Christians and Christmas could be legit revenge targets in their eyes. Who knows?

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          No, of course not a fucking excuse, but a distinct possibility if you coldly consider which entities could possibly benefit from a violent attack on civilian Jewish community.

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        Well, at least i don’t gun down people, so i guess i’m not that bad… (i’m at least better than those two)

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    This attack occurred as our Jewish community came together at the Chanukah by the Sea celebration. This was a celebration of peace and hope for the future, severed by hate.

    This will surely help everyone to discontinue support for Israel and the violence in palestine will stop immediately.

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      What does a bunch of Aussies enjoying a holiday at the beach have to do with Israel?

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        It was for a Hanukkah celebration, there were a lot of Jewish people, and Israel has been working hard to equate Jewish with Israeli zionism

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          So are you saying a bunch of Aussies should not enjoy a holiday at the beach?

          Wait till you see what happens on Christmas Days! There’s even thousands of tourists too!

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            @fizzle@quokk.au’s sarcastic comment was in poor taste and probably went over the heads of a few people. I understand the sentiment behind the comment and I think l It was probably posted out of horror, frustration, anger at the news.

            I think @T00l_shed@lemmy.world may have been trying to help connect the dots for anyone who didn’t understand what fizzle was going on about.

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              Not so much horror, frustration, and anger, as merely trying to understand the motivations of the perps. I genuinely want to understand more about that.

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            So are you saying a bunch of Aussies should not enjoy a holiday at the beach

            If you can find where I said that, I would be fucking impressed

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              Well the comment you replied to spoke about Aussies enjoying holidays on beaches. Your reply didn’t address that at all. Therefore the obvious inference is that you may be against Aussies enjoying holidays on the beaches. I thought it was a very fair question.

              Irony, sarcasm and sometimes humour is not well transmitted on the internet, ay?

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                It was more than just about Aussies enjoying holiday beaches, they asked about what it had to do with Israel, and I just explained how people are conflating the two.

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                  Oh, there is a whole lot of conflating going on, alright.

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        Why do you think the perps chose these particular Aussies ?