What is something you learned or experienced from being trans that you wish you knew pre-transition, or that you wish cis people knew?

I’ll go first: the temperature differences when going from testosterone-dominance to estrogen-dominance is not just real but significant, my body just puts out less heat and I feel colder much easier now even when otherwise maintaining a high metabolism, eating in excess, etc.

It may have just been my trans denial before, but I really wanted to believe that the difference was not that great and I was wrong.

What’s something you wish people knew?

  • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    How many trans people completely give up not just sports, but many types of exercise altogether. Swimming is particularly fraught, but so are plenty of other activities. There’s this narrative that trans people are beating down the doors to all sports, but for plenty of trans people just being active and healthy is out of reach.

    Edit: oop, sorry, didn’t realize this was posted in the transfem community 😅

    • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      so true, and such a good example.

      Personally as a kid I never exercised unless forced to (e.g. the annual 1 mile run in gym class) and didn’t enjoy sports, even before I realized I was trans.

      This was for so many reasons, too. For example with swimming, not wearing long-sleeves & pants was unbearable in social situations as a kid, let alone taking my shirt off & wearing swim trunks around peers.

      I also had very poor body coordination / awareness (“proprioception”), and frequently was injured when I would play.

      (I was hit in the head by balls so many times in sports it became a running joke with friends and family - I have distinct memories of having painful experiences being hit in the head when playing basketball, baseball, and kickball, some of these happening more than once.)

      As an adult I learned coping strategies, and I adapted to living as the wrong gender and dissociating from the body. Looking back, it was dysfunctional the way I used my self-loathing and gender dysphoria as tools to push myself to endure physical suffering that wasn’t safe or healthy. I also had a hard time gauging my body’s needs and injured myself many times, and I now have life-long conditions as a result.

      I have heard similar stories from other trans women IRL about not being able to read the body and injuring themselves, and about poor body coordination / proprioception. There is also just the obvious discomfort of the way sports puts you into your body in a social context, and for trans women the way sports is male-coded and all the complicated social dynamics around being “athletic” or into sports as being masculine.

      What were your experiences, and do you have any advice for trans people wanting to be healthy with movement?

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        The proprioception thing is interesting because it’s also linked to things like ADHD and autism along with other sensory processing difficulties.

        For me, my own poor proprioception actually feeds into my dysphoria on its own because it feels like somebody hit me with the Scale tool in Blender and added like 2 inches to all my bodily dimensions. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve just barely smacked my head or hands on things or kicked furniture and how much frustration it has caused me with this damned flesh prison.

        • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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          yes, it wasn’t until I transitioned and read all the studies about shared genetic causes of gender dysphoria and autism, and the high overlap between the two that I finally took seriously the feedback I had been getting my whole life that I might be autistic - so my own proprioception issues might also be linked to neurodivergence. Estrogen seemed to help a little bit with my proprioception, but I am still clumsy and my spouse has noted that it hasn’t been fixed by transition.

          I do feel like you that my body just feels too large, and I do think that’s part of why I run into things - the hormones haven’t fixed that, so maybe that’s a life sentence, unfortunately. And “damned flesh prison” is pretty much how I would describe my body since I was maybe 15 - 17 years old? But hey, still cis tho.

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    Yeah, the temperature thing is real. It’s not like I doubted my wife before, but even a little AC is enough to give me the shivers now. Sorry!

    I think the thing that surprised me most (although I started to figure this out a while before cracking) is that women and men are far more similar than they are different. We’re all just people, with very similar desires and experiences.

    Oh, and I had no idea how obsessed women are with boobs.

    Although I guess none of these are trans-specific things.

      • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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        I do just feel more comfortable, estrogen seemed to “fix” my temperature - no more sweating through my sheets and leaving a yellow stain on my bed 🤢 As I first started estrogen, I was shocked at how animal-like it seemed like I was on testosterone, the way my body stank, the excessive sweating, and so on. Becoming a woman was like becoming human, is the way it felt to me.

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    That speech does in fact creates reality. Using the masculine form of a word to refer to a group of people does mean, that you actively exclude all the people who are not male. People may not realise and say “dont be so shiny about it”, but for trans people it does mean quite a lot how people refer to us.

    Also that cis mans literally have to shut the fuck up if people would like, that others could stop using male words as default. Of course you dont feel excluded/discriminates, but I do since I Am definitely not a man and I do not want to be referred as one.

    • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      Well said, social reality is just as real as any other kind of reality - the language we use is part of how we reify our concepts and regulate others within them.

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    I wish more cis folks knew that to me, simply being me, is as normal as being themselves is to them. I’m not a walk on the wild side, nor a walking queer chyron. I’m not your token, your conversational curio. I’m not your unicorn!

    • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      Such a great point, being trans is made into an exotic fetish, but it’s rather mundane really. This is a lot like how women are treated under patriarchy, to be honest. They are made into mysterious, sexual creatures rather than just people like anyone else. They are extended into the “Other” and alienated from common humanity.

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    Gender is a social construct and you don’t have to ‘live up’ to any predefined ideas about what you ‘need’ to be, what you ‘need’ to look like, or what you ‘need’ to do.

    • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      ah, freedom from gender norms! I think everyone, cis and trans, has different tolerances for the extent to which they feel comfortable adhering to or violating gender norms. Ironically, transitioning has been so great for me because it allows me to finally be “normal” by being conformist.

      As a man I was always wrong because my natural inclinations made me gender non-conforming (making me seem like a gay man). It was very stigmatizing living that way, but once I transitioned it’s like everything lined up and now for the first time every I “fit” society, and I just live as a relatively normal woman without stigma.

      However, my sexuality still makes me non-conforming, but in women that seems to be more ignored or overlooked compared to men (esp. when you are feminine / conforming in your gender expression). It’s only when it’s made explicit that people seem uncomfortable, and even then the average person seem more accepting than of gay men, at least in my experience.

      That said, it makes sense that being trans would lend itself to seeing the possibilities in gender and the freedom from gender norms that can be accomplished.

      The popularity of beyond-the-binary ideas of Kate Bornstein and Leslie Feinberg and the increased adoption of non-binary as a political identity show a thirst for tearing down gender norms and replacing them with gender freedom (particularly focused on individualist ideas of gender expression and non-conformity).

      Though I am ultimately skeptical that this is how gender works, and it reminds me of the failed political lesbianism of second wave feminism, the problem then was that sexuality was not wholly cultural or political as mistakenly assumed, and you cannot will yourself to be a lesbian and build a new utopian society on that basis. Straight women exist, and they will continue to be attracted to men even if it’s they’re told it’s wrong. Still, it’s exciting to see movements like this push to create space for gender non-conformity, that’s a win regardless in my book.

    • zarniwoop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I’m in the demi sort of space and when I got rid of the “boys” downstairs no one but my partner and mother knew and it remains that way even to this day.

      It wasn’t about others it was about my body and how I felt about it. That’s it.

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      !!! REAL !!!

      I spent so long putting off estrogen and when I went on it I magically felt better and started getting excited at the changes in my body???

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          Yeah, idk about you but I still have the underlying anxiety that I’m going to finish transitioning and not be happy. But I also have anxiety about pretty much every decision I make.

          • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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            I can get that way too, but what I’ve done to cope is to recognize that my situation is vastly improved, and that’s good enough - transition doesn’t have to make me happy all the time, it’s enough that it makes me happy so much of the time. The same strategy was really important when deciding to get a vaginoplasty, and when choosing my name - because I had a lot of perfectionism and anxiety around both, and I had to realize that it’s about being practical and not about finding perfection.

            Even just getting estrogen in me really changed my mental health for the better, even if that’s all I ever did, it would have been worth it.

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      Yes, such a great one - it’s so hard to believe that gender dysphoria is real, people seem to want to think it’s just delusions or trauma or anything but what it is.

      It’s incredible to me that the conservative medical establishment has endorsed gender affirming care and transition for trans youth and adults in this country, over centuries and decades trans healthcare has developed to this point while the culture at large continues to lag behind.

      It is like the gradual process of (largely Christian) scientists ruling out creationism over a period of centuries and decades, but we’re in a time still when the majority of people still believe in the religious explanation rather than the scientific one.

      It makes me feel like I’m living in a kind of medieval era of sorts, when people are still largely uneducated and in the dark, a time when the gap between what humanity has discovered and what most people know is huge.

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        If you think about it, cisgender people also can experience gender dysphoria, just not to the extent non-cis people experience.

        Thinks like feeling uncomfortable with your body when you’re on your period (the bloating), even the blood and cramp aside. Or cis men being insecure about their dick size.

    • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      unfortunately they might, at least in the US there is a learned callousness to suffering and “not my problem” individualism, which is ironic given the significance of taking care of the poor, unhoused, and travelers in both Christianity and ancient Greece and Rome, the supposed cultural foundations of the West.

      edit: oh, I’ve been meaning to ask if you have a gofundme or way to send you funds, you are on my mind a lot

      • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.social
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        I also love this diagram from Scientific American since even from a glance I think a lot of open-minded people will get an immediate understanding that it’s at the very least complex, even if they aren’t willing to spend a long time engaging with any discussion around it.

        Diagram

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          that is a great diagram, though I can find it confusing and hard to read - it does quickly show how complex the situation can be. I found it helpful to have an expert walking through this diagram and showing its meaning, that’s when it finally clicked for me.