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    Gets on Lemmygrad
    Sees a post about China with 128 new comments
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    Knows what I’m about to see.

    Edit: fed thread thread

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    China has a pretty tight grip on the news and media people get to see from there. I’d take that with a grain of salt.

    A better example would be europe

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      The Iranian government has a million times stronger internet filter and news somehow propagates in the middle of a blackout, you somehow think a nation of 1.4 billion people can keep shit under wrap?

      Spend some time thinking it’s free

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        They recently announced they invented a time machine. China hasn’t been trough a brain drain that bad. In the end, competence matters a lot

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          Imagine thinking they are one entity with no individual differences. Stop being wh*te for a second and think for yourself. Inshallah we will find a cure for your sickness one day.

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            Such an announcement doesn’t just go trough the many people working in the chain of information that a government runs. It presents a bigger problem than just a few people in the wrong place.

            I understand communication from government institutions can be difficult to comprehend. Fortunately for my personal situation, this is independent from my natural complexion. Hopefully you eventually acquire the necessary capabilities yourself

            Do you need that monosyllabicly?

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      Germany has made it illegal to be vocally against Palestinian genocide, and last I heard was considering requiring immigrants to pledge loyalty to pissrael. That’s like a parody of Scary Communist Badguy Country.

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        There wasn’t much consideration. Part of the citizenship application process includes a statement the applicant has to sign which says something along the lines of “Israel’s existence is part of German national security and it has a right to exist.”

        The new government may go even further though, by revoking the German citizenship of dual nationals who are affiliated with “anti-semitic, terrorist, or extremist” groups. No legal definition for those categories is forthcoming.

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      the Great Firewall’s intended function is not to restrict Chinese news and media from reaching you, but to keep out those reactionaries who often say “a better example would be europe” to everything they see

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        It does go both ways. Even for super old stuff. One recent example was blatantly obvious when people tried asking deepseek r2 about tiananmen square

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          That’s not really the network firewall I meant, but if having a major competitor is the main thing keeping open-source AI vibrant, stopping all LLMs from having a violent-but-civil western tech bro viewpoint, then bring it on!! We had no good reasoning models to use before, but now you can roll your own with whatever ideology or bias you want, thanks to China.

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    American police are just more expensive siveto pay off than Chinese police.

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        According to the Government statistics, there were no killings by police in China yet in 2025… Totally believable.

        My friend, there are both corrupt and bad police everywhere, and it is worse where there is no free press because they can get away with it more.

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          Free press as in free for capitalists to write their lies in? No thanks. State press only pls.

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            Free press doesn’t refer to the business model for the press organizations. Free press means that press organizations are not prevented from reporting topics, like the government. Yes, there are plenty of garbage oligarchic press organizations in countries like the US, England, Europe etc, but they have also many truely useful organizations such as community press, school press (university) and expert groups (like scientific organizations)

            State press in authoritarian countries function the same as capitalist press in capitalist countries, because the capitalists control the state in the capitalist parts of the world.

            What is important is that censorship from the state/money doesn’t limit the press from informing the population - because transparency is how you fight corruption and incompetence, regardless of the nature of the state.

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    Their cops murder people too, like for real? Thats what cops do! Chinese cops arent suddenly and magically not bastards! What a shit meme, i dont even really dislike china all that much but this is fuckin wank

    Super fucking embarrassing for a communist forum

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      Cops in capitalist states aren’t magically bastards. They’re bastards specifically because they serve bourgeois interests against proletarian ones.

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        Also worth noting, I’m pretty sure US cops are some of the worst in the world, even when compared to other capitalist countries. Like they developed in part from slave patrols and in modern day, have been known to get psychopathic training that glorifies murdering people. On top of the fact some of them are literal gangs.

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          Yes, but this is not the point. We should not rely only on moral arguments against bourgeois institutions, because the same thing can be said against socialism. The thing is, the police is an instrument of the capitalists because the laws in capitalist country favors the capitalists. It’s basically the superstructure as a product and in a dialectical relationship with the base structure.

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            That’s fair as a general thing, but I didn’t really mean it as a “moral argument”? People have good reason to have developed a viscerally negative view of policing if their experience has only been the US. So part of my point there is just how abnormally bad US policing is and some reasons why it is that way, to help ease off on the instinct that if they are horrific in the US, they must always be horrific everywhere. Yes, part of it is the standard “the police are there to protect capital, etc.”, but it’s not just that. The US developed from colonizing, genocide, slavery, none of which it ever really reckoned with as more than reformist things that were extremely hard-won. In post WWII, it also became a global capitalist empire and the breeding ground of a vicious anti-communist world campaign. All of this is going to have consequences on what policing ends up looking like.

            The whole “they favor the capitalists” thing is true for the US, but also somewhat of an oversimplification. The worst crimes done by US cops (such as extrajudicial murder) are more often carried out against people who are considered non-white, for example. That’s something you won’t see covered in a purely class analysis.

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              But that’s exactly what I meant. Cops are bad for the working class not because they are cops, or because they enforce state rule. They are bad for the population because their function, as part of the superstructure, is to maintain the base of society (production, distribution and classes) working as they are intended.

              So cops in a colonial society are going to enforce colonial social relations. Cops in a slaver society will enforce slavery social relations. Cops in a capitalist society, which existed in a historical process of past colonial and slavery relations that then transited to capitalist class relations, will be racist and target those minorities, since they are now part of the lowest sections of the proletariat and subproletariat.

              In a post-capitalist society, where workers are now in power, the superstructure will have a group of people who will enforce the new rules of the society and protect the workers’ interests. You can call them workers’ militia, people’s militia, workers’ gendarmerie, or any other name, but they will act in a similarly to what cops do today, but now considering the new base structure of society, their class character will be different.

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                  I think it’s good to mention this otherwise we fall into the anti-authority argument that anarchists love to bring up.