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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up'

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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up'

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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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Ukraine told critics of the pace of its three-month-old counteroffensive to "shut up" on Thursday, the sharpest signal yet of Kyiv's frustration at leaks from Western officials who say its forces are advancing too slowly.
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    The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It’s mind blowing.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      It’s not supporting Russia to be critical of one-sided narratives or to call for peace for the sake of minimizing loss of life.

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        So you’d want peace by Ukraine giving up its territory?

        How about peace talks that involve Russia giving back all Ukrainian lands (including Crimea) and pulling all troops out.

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          Shouldn’t the people of Crimea get to decide whether they want to live under Kyiv’s rule?

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            You mean the Russians that Russia settled there? Curious what you think about the Uighurs getting to break away a country from China.

            • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              Crimea was annexed with zero shots fired. Maybe Ukraine should respect the voices of the people living in eastern ukraine.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          Why stop there, how about demanding Russia provide every Ukrainian with a talking unicorn buddy?

          I live in reality and when I say I want peace it means I believe in negotiating based on realistic expectations.

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        Russia is welcome to GTFO at any time.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          The war was already going on before Russia sent troops in.

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            Right, Ukraine was fighting corruption. Russia entered on the side of… corruption.

            • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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              “Fighting corruption” is an interesting way to describe sustained artillery bombardments of civilian targets.

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                Fighting this corruption:

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

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                  Hoo boy wait til you see what Zelenskyy was up to.

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      Hexbear.net is a Russian nationalist instance… They’ve grown up under Putin’s cencorship and state media brainwashing.

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        Lmao new tagline dropped.
        No one on hexbear supports Russia, it’s a neoliberal hellscape that’s somehow even worse than the us on LGBTQ rights. We just dont uncritically consume state department propaganda.

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      Go back to your Fox News, conservative ass

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      Tankies.

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        You rang?

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        t34 t34 tankie t34 t34

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          Imagine being proud of a t34. Oof

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            Your username is literally stuka. Also, remember when Germany had their asses destroyed by the red army? That was funny.

          • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            T34s were part of the army that defeated nazi Germany. Cope and seethe.

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        Deride us as woke next.

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          Why would anyone do that? Wokeness is rad and cool, while tankies love to do fascist apologia, which is highly unwoke

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            Oh look, calling communists fascists

            hitler-detector

            Surely people who do that aren’t supportive of double genocide theory, which Jewish holocaust scholars condemn as carrying water for nazism.

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              Every time I criticize tankies they:

              1. Lie about what I said
              2. Pretend I’m talking about all communists. If I wanted to do so, I would use the term “communists”. But I don’t see a reason to attack the group I myself belong to
              3. Try to “no U” with irrelevant insinuations
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                Oh, which successful communists are you talking about?

                Also, double genocide theory being holocaust trivialization still applies as it refers to calling the USSR fascist, if you think it is an irrelevant insuniation take it up with the Jewish holocaust scholars.

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            Projection,Liberals have always supported nazis against “tankies”

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              “My terminally online movement is not full of fascists and useful idiots parroting fascist propaganda because of, uhm, history” Yes, tell me again about the freikorps while every day I see another hazoid being besties with Nazis, or being a fascist themselves.

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                Love how you call me terminally online while your argument for why i am a facist because of some random Haz fan. Also History is irrelevant now?

                “Sure Liberals have supported facists everytime but have you considerd Haz”

                “Tankies” fought alongside every anti colonial moments from Angola to Vietnam.

                While Liberals were to busy supporting far right shitholes like Chile Isreal South Vietnam South Korea

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                  I don’t know if you’re a fascist, I’m currently not interested enough to go checking.

                  how you call me terminally online

                  Because you’re on Lemmy defending legacy of a pejorative identifier when confronted with the fact that the modern online tankie community has produced a number of fascist-aligned notable persons over the last years, and keeps spreading and regurgitating fascist propaganda because of the common alignment against the West.

                  The history is important. In this conversation, history is irrelevant. Stop making it about your honor

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                    You dont get to decide that history is not relevant because it hurts your narrative of muh red fash tankies

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            https://jacobin.com/2023/01/soviet-union-memorials-nazi-germany-holocaust-history-revisionism

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              Non-sequitur, I have nothing to reply to

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                Literally a direct reply to the exact thing you said

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                  Please learn reading comprehension

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                    tankies love to do fascist apologia

                    I am quoting you here.

                    This is you committing the exact act being described in that article.

                    That makes it a direct reply to the exact thing you said.

                    Comment?

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        Tankies.

        I am very smart very-intelligent

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